Guess the Language, anyone?
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20:01 < Yng> is it from papua new guinea or some shit
20:01 < Yng> or is it african!!!!
the answer to this triple-question is yes, it is from papua new guinea or some shit or african. one of the three.
20:01 < Yng> or is it african!!!!
the answer to this triple-question is yes, it is from papua new guinea or some shit or african. one of the three.
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It's from the first of those (PNG), isn't it?
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correctRisla wrote:It's from the first of those (PNG), isn't it?
Siöö jandeng raiglin zåbei tandiüłåd;
nää džunnfin kukuch vklaivei sivei tåd.
Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei.
nää džunnfin kukuch vklaivei sivei tåd.
Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei.
Re: Guess the Language, anyone?
Is it Papuan?
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It's probably Proto-Guinean, or Old-Guinean at the latest.
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Manambu?
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It looks like a Ndu language and can very well be Manambu. If that's not the case, I might guess Abelam written using an orthography that doesn't have separate marking for /e o ɨ/.
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cev got it
Siöö jandeng raiglin zåbei tandiüłåd;
nää džunnfin kukuch vklaivei sivei tåd.
Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei.
nää džunnfin kukuch vklaivei sivei tåd.
Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei.
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How!?
For the benefit of us idiots at home, could the winners maybe explain what distinguishing features they noticed? At least the Sango one had marginally unusual vowels...
For the benefit of us idiots at home, could the winners maybe explain what distinguishing features they noticed? At least the Sango one had marginally unusual vowels...
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But the river tripped on her by and by, lapping
as though her heart was brook: Why, why, why! Weh, O weh
I'se so silly to be flowing but I no canna stay!
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For Enindhilyagwa, it had two vowels, and since there was no <e> it obviously wasn't Arandic. (My first guess was Kaytetye, which I only guessed because I didn't know that's how it was spelled, so I couldn't google it and find out that it's closely related to Arrernte.) It was obviously Australian, and a crash course in Australian linguistics turned up only two languages that have been analyzed as having only two vowels: Enindhilyagwa and Andegerebenha.
Sango was two minutes on Omniglot but I got beaten to it.
I'm guessing Cev went through all his PNG grammars or something; I pulled that sample from the grammar. But given <iy> (and /@/ <i>) and labiovelars, a Sepik-Ramu language was a good guess (would've been even more obvious if I hadn't gotten the orthography wrong -- those <u> should be <uw>), and from there, lack of mid vowels makes it probably a Ndu language, and it has some sort of palatal stop so it couldn't be Iatmül.
Sango was two minutes on Omniglot but I got beaten to it.
I'm guessing Cev went through all his PNG grammars or something; I pulled that sample from the grammar. But given <iy> (and /@/ <i>) and labiovelars, a Sepik-Ramu language was a good guess (would've been even more obvious if I hadn't gotten the orthography wrong -- those <u> should be <uw>), and from there, lack of mid vowels makes it probably a Ndu language, and it has some sort of palatal stop so it couldn't be Iatmül.
Siöö jandeng raiglin zåbei tandiüłåd;
nää džunnfin kukuch vklaivei sivei tåd.
Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei.
nää džunnfin kukuch vklaivei sivei tåd.
Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei.
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It's a hard game since here people tend to know all kinds of details from random stuff. It's often also hard to give exact reasons of what features initially guided you towards the right answer since what you are doing when first encountering a new example is running a correlation between it at all the vague language impressions you have acquired in your memory. It might typically boil down to some combination of syllable structure and the phoneme frequencies and such things aren't easy to put into words.
After the first impression, or if someone else's guess gave you enough clues, you can rationalise more about it. For the Manambu passage some distinguishing feature would be that the orthography points towards an analysis of very few vowel distinctions seemingly organised in a vertical system. Such analyses were popular at one point for the Ndu languages. There's also a lexical clue as the passage is filled with di and du. These remind me of the Iatmul word du ("man"), also appearing as the name of the family, as well as the pronouns dɨ ("he") and di ("they").
Rather annoyingly my own copy of the Manambu grammar arrived today in the post, a bit too late to get the extra reading for that particular puzzle.
After the first impression, or if someone else's guess gave you enough clues, you can rationalise more about it. For the Manambu passage some distinguishing feature would be that the orthography points towards an analysis of very few vowel distinctions seemingly organised in a vertical system. Such analyses were popular at one point for the Ndu languages. There's also a lexical clue as the passage is filled with di and du. These remind me of the Iatmul word du ("man"), also appearing as the name of the family, as well as the pronouns dɨ ("he") and di ("they").
Rather annoyingly my own copy of the Manambu grammar arrived today in the post, a bit too late to get the extra reading for that particular puzzle.
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I went to my Papuan grammars folder and went through them until I got to one that made me go "Yeah, that looks pretty close."
Anyway, here's the next one:
Anyway, here's the next one:
Edit: Replaced the ˑs with ·s cause they show up better.ˀÚ·yitiwc̓é·ye pí·wapciˀyawn ha·níya cépmin. Mitá·w̓na hiná·swalawqaqa hími·snim hú·sus ka· ˀiceyé·ye ˀapsí·sna ka· ná·qc ˀattó·laˀysa. Cépmin káˀlo hiwé·ke so·yá·po·. Cépmin konmaná hiná·swalawqaqa káˀlo lilk̓úx yúˀcmene. ˀIwé·pneki hiná·ssiwayna. Káˀla titó·qan ˀiwé·pne ˀewé·ke, cépmin weˀnikí·n so·yá·po·. Tá·mnaqahtq̓inm há·ma ˀewé·ke hími·snim hú·sus.
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Heiltsuk-Oowekyala?
EDIT: nope.
EDIT: nope.
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But the river tripped on her by and by, lapping
as though her heart was brook: Why, why, why! Weh, O weh
I'se so silly to be flowing but I no canna stay!
But the river tripped on her by and by, lapping
as though her heart was brook: Why, why, why! Weh, O weh
I'se so silly to be flowing but I no canna stay!
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Is it Ldqoiybj?
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Salishan?
EDIT: specifically maybe Sahaptin?
EDIT: specifically maybe Sahaptin?
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But the river tripped on her by and by, lapping
as though her heart was brook: Why, why, why! Weh, O weh
I'se so silly to be flowing but I no canna stay!
But the river tripped on her by and by, lapping
as though her heart was brook: Why, why, why! Weh, O weh
I'se so silly to be flowing but I no canna stay!
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Is it native to California?
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Is it an Siuan language?
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Sahaptin isn't Salishan, and this language is neither. It is also not native to California. It is not Siouan.Salmoneus wrote:Salishan?
EDIT: specifically maybe Sahaptin?
"It will not come by waiting for it. It will not be said, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is.' Rather, the Kingdom of the Father is spread out upon the earth, and men do not see it."
– The Gospel of Thomas
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Umph, Gitxsan maybe? The excerpt lacks lateral obstruents and labiovelars but it might just be too short to be fully representative.
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Is it an Athabaskan language?
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Good point well made.Xephyr wrote:Sahaptin isn't SalishanSalmoneus wrote:Salishan?
EDIT: specifically maybe Sahaptin?
[Was looking through the ones in your 'Penutian and Salish' folder, forgot that some were Penutian]
So is it Penutian?
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But the river tripped on her by and by, lapping
as though her heart was brook: Why, why, why! Weh, O weh
I'se so silly to be flowing but I no canna stay!
But the river tripped on her by and by, lapping
as though her heart was brook: Why, why, why! Weh, O weh
I'se so silly to be flowing but I no canna stay!
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Some variety of Wakashan?
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Yes @ Penutian
No @ everything else
No @ everything else
"It will not come by waiting for it. It will not be said, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is.' Rather, the Kingdom of the Father is spread out upon the earth, and men do not see it."
– The Gospel of Thomas
– The Gospel of Thomas
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Is it Tsimshian?