Do some italians pronounce 'z' as /θ/?

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Do some italians pronounce 'z' as /θ/?

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or is he acutally Spanish?
5:55 "anziano", "vacanze"
4:30 - "iniziare"
12:16 - "promozione"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85mWTpmbjNE

i'm not an expert but his e's seem too tense and his pronunciation of foreign words ending in a consonant like 'Spudd' (7:16) lack the characteristic final epenthetic schwa i've heard italians have (/spad:ə/ in this case).

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That's clearly Italian. <z> becoming /θ/ due to a spelling pronunciation error is plausible for someone from north or central Spain; however, /θ/ itself came from Old Spanish /ts/, which is the usual pronunciation of Italian <z>.
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[θ] is a feature of some NE Italian vernaculars, such as Venetian and Friulian. I haven't heard of this feature creeping into regional varieties of Standard Italian, but I suppose it's possible.

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Friulian looks very interesting. I wish the Wikipedia article was better.
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vec wrote:Friulian looks very interesting. I wish the Wikipedia article was better.
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Re: Do some italians pronounce 'z' as /θ/?

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Bolognese people pronounce 'z' as a phoneme that could be easily mistaken for /θ/, but that is actually pronounced with the tip of the tongue touching the back of the bottom row of teeth.

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lu_ming wrote:Bolognese people pronounce 'z' as a phoneme that could be easily mistaken for /θ/, but that is actually pronounced with the tip of the tongue touching the back of the bottom row of teeth.
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