What, where, when
What, where, when
Firstly, I apologise if this is in the wrong section!
So someone posted this on Facebook a few days ago and I must say that it had never occurred to me. They posted that the questions "When", "Where" and "When" can be answered by substituting the w for a t. Where > There. I suppose I was mostly surprised by the fact that I'd never noticed this. I guess this has been discussed here before, but is this purely coincidental or did it occur deliberately?
So someone posted this on Facebook a few days ago and I must say that it had never occurred to me. They posted that the questions "When", "Where" and "When" can be answered by substituting the w for a t. Where > There. I suppose I was mostly surprised by the fact that I'd never noticed this. I guess this has been discussed here before, but is this purely coincidental or did it occur deliberately?
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Re: What, where, when
This is purely a coincidence. Using "what" and "that" as examples, in Old English, these two words were spelt "hwæt" and "þæt". In the course of time, "hw" was respelled "wh" and "þ" was respelled "th", yielding "what" and "that". Ditto for the other pairs.
Re: What, where, when
That only changed the question from w/t correspondence to hw/þ correspondence though, and to my surprise all three of them fits even in Old English even down to vowel lengths.
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Re: What, where, when
Throughout IE. Latin 'tam' (so much) vs 'quam' (how much), and 'talis' (such a kind) vs 'qualis' (what kind) for instance.M Mira wrote:That only changed the question from w/t correspondence to hw/þ correspondence though, and to my surprise all three of them fits even in Old English even down to vowel lengths.
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But the river tripped on her by and by, lapping
as though her heart was brook: Why, why, why! Weh, O weh
I'se so silly to be flowing but I no canna stay!
But the river tripped on her by and by, lapping
as though her heart was brook: Why, why, why! Weh, O weh
I'se so silly to be flowing but I no canna stay!
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Re: What, where, when
Ok, going back all the way to PIE, *kʷó-d vs. *tó-d ("what" vs. "that"), *kʷó-m vs. *tó-m ("when" vs. "then"), and *kʷó-r vs. *tó-r ("where" vs. "there"). In this case, *kʷo- and *to- are adjectival pronoun stems derived from the more basic pronoun roots *kʷ- and *t-.
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Re: What, where, when
Well if that isn't the most interesting revelation.
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Re: What, where, when
I think I'm getting out of my depth now!
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Re: What, where, when
I sometimes feel like we should use "hat" instead of "this" and "hen" instead of "now", to parallel the "here"/"there" (and hither/thither and hence/thence and here-/there- compounds) distinction.
Re: What, where, when
At this point it seems pretty apparent that PIE was simply an ancient esperanto gone awry.KathTheDragon wrote:Ok, going back all the way to PIE, *kʷó-d vs. *tó-d ("what" vs. "that"), *kʷó-m vs. *tó-m ("when" vs. "then"), and *kʷó-r vs. *tó-r ("where" vs. "there"). In this case, *kʷo- and *to- are adjectival pronoun stems derived from the more basic pronoun roots *kʷ- and *t-.
Re: What, where, when
Yeah, but we already use "hat" for wearing on the head. And some of us use "hen" for meat and eggs.gmalivuk wrote:I sometimes feel like we should use "hat" instead of "this" and "hen" instead of "now", to parallel the "here"/"there" (and hither/thither and hence/thence and here-/there- compounds) distinction.
Kio ajn hindeŭrope dirita estas, esperante vidatas.Abi wrote:At this point it seems pretty apparent that PIE was simply an ancient esperanto gone awry.
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Re: What, where, when
Look if I want to hat hat hat hen and forever, I won't let your argument from homonymy stop me.Pole, the wrote:Yeah, but we already use "hat" for wearing on the head. And some of us use "hen" for meat and eggs.gmalivuk wrote:I sometimes feel like we should use "hat" instead of "this" and "hen" instead of "now", to parallel the "here"/"there" (and hither/thither and hence/thence and here-/there- compounds) distinction.
Re: What, where, when
there their they'rePole, the wrote:Yeah, but we already use "hat" for wearing on the head. And some of us use "hen" for meat and eggs.gmalivuk wrote:I sometimes feel like we should use "hat" instead of "this" and "hen" instead of "now", to parallel the "here"/"there" (and hither/thither and hence/thence and here-/there- compounds) distinction.
here hear hir
Re: What, where, when
Those words, depending on regional accents, aren't necessarily pronounced the same, and hir isn't even a word... In South Wales "there" is different to "their" and "they're" - both sounding like "theya". Also, "Here", "hear", "year" and "ear" are all pronounced as "yurr" (rhyming with "fur").linguoboy wrote:there their they'rePole, the wrote:Yeah, but we already use "hat" for wearing on the head. And some of us use "hen" for meat and eggs.gmalivuk wrote:I sometimes feel like we should use "hat" instead of "this" and "hen" instead of "now", to parallel the "here"/"there" (and hither/thither and hence/thence and here-/there- compounds) distinction.
here hear hir
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Re: What, where, when
that hardly negates the point that Some Words Are Homographs/Homophones
كان يا ما كان / يا صمت العشية / قمري هاجر في الصبح بعيدا / في العيون العسلية
tà yi póbo tsùtsùr ciivà dè!
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tà yi póbo tsùtsùr ciivà dè!
short texts in Cuhbi
Risha Cuhbi grammar
Re: What, where, when
If this is aimed at me, I apologise if I seemed argumentative. It wasn't meant as such. I was just pointing out that (mainly) the words their and they're have two syllables when spoken in a South Wales accent (particularly the Valleys).Yng wrote:that hardly negates the point that Some Words Are Homographs/Homophones
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Me? I'm just a lawn-mower; you can tell me by the way I walk.
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Re: What, where, when
Yes, it is.dyolf wrote:and hir isn't even a word...
Re: What, where, when
I stand corrected.gmalivuk wrote:Yes, it is.dyolf wrote:and hir isn't even a word...
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Me? I'm just a lawn-mower; you can tell me by the way I walk.
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Re: What, where, when
Why can't people just use they... and no, I am not going to remember what your favorite personal pronoun is, thank you. (Luckily no one has ever insisted to me that I call them a particular pronoun.)
Dibotahamdn duthma jallni agaynni ra hgitn lakrhmi.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.
Re: What, where, when
I personally have never heard any other gender-indefinite pronoun used outside the internet.Travis B. wrote:Why can't people just use they... and no, I am not going to remember what your favorite personal pronoun is, thank you. (Luckily no one has ever insisted to me that I call them a particular pronoun.)
"But if of ships I now should sing, what ship would come to me,
What ship would bear me ever back across so wide a Sea?”
What ship would bear me ever back across so wide a Sea?”
Re: What, where, when
"... and no, I am not going to remember what your favorite personal name is, thank you"Travis B. wrote:Why can't people just use they... and no, I am not going to remember what your favorite personal pronoun is, thank you. (Luckily no one has ever insisted to me that I call them a particular pronoun.)
That's cool, Greg. You do you.
(And I mean, sure, if someone picks a totally unique "pronoun" it's really just another name and they'd essentially rather you didn't use pronouns at all. But in real life, even the part of real life here on the Internet, people don't tend to pick words uniformly from a set of thousands. They just pick from a set that's a couple times larger than {he, she, it, they}.)