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Sound Change Term Question

Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2016 8:53 pm
by 2+3 clusivity
Is there a term for a sound change of the following pattern --

/-VASV-/ --> /-VASAV-/; and some nonse examples, /alga, dijda, albəm/ -> /algla, dijdja, albləm/

A = approximant; S = Stop; V = Vowel

Re: Sound Change Term Question

Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 12:09 pm
by mèþru
Inserting a sound is called epenthesis.

Re: Sound Change Term Question

Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 12:44 pm
by Vijay
I don't get the pattern, though. :P I don't see what the (phonetic) motivation is for epenthesizing either [l] or [j], and anyway, "approximant" is a pretty vague term since it can mean stuff like lateral approximants or just glides like [j].

Re: Sound Change Term Question

Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 3:03 pm
by Chengjiang
Vijay wrote:I don't get the pattern, though. :P I don't see what the (phonetic) motivation is for epenthesizing either [l] or [j], and anyway, "approximant" is a pretty vague term since it can mean stuff like lateral approximants or just glides like [j].
Were it just VASV > VSAV it'd be metathesis, which is a fairly common change, but as it stands I can neither think of an appropriate name for it nor think of a natural example of it. It's very distinctive, at any rate.

I don't have any real problem with the approximant category in this case. If the sound change applies to all approximants, whether glide or liquid, then this is an appropriate way to describe it.

Re: Sound Change Term Question

Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 3:44 pm
by Vijay
Chengjiang wrote:Were it just VASV > VSAV it'd be metathesis, which is a fairly common change
It's common but AFAIK usually not a regular sound change that applies across the board.

Ohh, wait a minute. So you repeat the approximant. OK. That's what I didn't realize until just now. I feel like there must be a better way of expressing this with this notation, like αA or something (so something like /-VASV-/ -> /-VASαAV-/?).

Re: Sound Change Term Question

Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 4:00 pm
by Pole, the
Vijay wrote:I don't get the pattern, though. :P I don't see what the (phonetic) motivation is for epenthesizing either [l] or [j], and anyway, "approximant" is a pretty vague term since it can mean stuff like lateral approximants or just glides like [j].
The point is the sequence C₁C₂ turns into C₁C₂C₁ intervocalically.

I don't know, I would either call it a specific type of an epenthesis (where a consonant cluster gets separated from a vowel by introducing one more consonant), or—if I were to invent a new term—I would call it something like “perithesis” (Greek for “putting sth around sth”).

Re: Sound Change Term Question

Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 5:29 pm
by 2+3 clusivity
Pole, the wrote:The point is the sequence C₁C₂ turns into C₁C₂C₁ intervocalically.
Yeah, sorry, my notation is not great. Pole and Vijay hit on the pattern. An approximant -- here, /j, w, l, etc./ is repeated following a stop.

Epenthesis seemed awkward to me given that it usually breaks CC or VV cluster.

"Perithesis" ... ha! That's good. Thanks folks.

Re: Sound Change Term Question

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2016 2:16 am
by Chengjiang
Vijay wrote:
Chengjiang wrote:Were it just VASV > VSAV it'd be metathesis, which is a fairly common change
It's common but AFAIK usually not a regular sound change that applies across the board.
It is a very common sporadic sound change, but there are some cases of it being systematic. For example, Common Slavic had systematic metathesis of coda liquid consonants with the preceding vowel.

Re: Sound Change Term Question

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2016 2:40 am
by Vijay
Chengjiang wrote:
Vijay wrote:
Chengjiang wrote:Were it just VASV > VSAV it'd be metathesis, which is a fairly common change
It's common but AFAIK usually not a regular sound change that applies across the board.
It is a very common sporadic sound change, but there are some cases of it being systematic. For example, Common Slavic had systematic metathesis of coda liquid consonants with the preceding vowel.
It's supposed to have happened systematically in Romani as well, but I'm skeptical in that particular case at least.

Re: Sound Change Term Question

Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2016 6:47 pm
by Tropylium
Avestan has regressive "perithesis" of /j/, but this probably works thru palatalization: Cj > Cʲj > jCj. The same mechanism might be difficult to extend to liquids.