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PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2016 8:59 pm 
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For some reason, within my immediate family, we pronounced taut identical to taunt. I don't think I was ever taunted for saying it this way, but I decided to change it before I was.

French words were a particular trial for me since I studiously avoided contact with the language during my adolescence. I naturally thought coup would be pronounced as coop and corps like corpse. Then I learned coup de grace with the common American hypercorrection (i.e. /ˌkudəʹɡrɑː/) and had to unlearn that.


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I actually have an inverse pin-pen merger where a lot (but not all) of my lax vowels become [ɛ] in single-syllable words: milk [mɛlk], and/end [ɛnd], since/sense [sɛn(t)s]...Though actually I still have [ɪ] in pin.

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Thought of another one I was guilty of: pronouncing <olive> to rhyme with <alive>. My family teased me about that one.

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Adúljôžal ônal kol ví éža únah kex yaxlr gmlĥ hôga jô ônal kru ansu frú.
Ansu frú ônal savel zaš gmlĥ a vek Adúljôžal vé jaga čaþ kex.
Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh.


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You think a monolingual English speaker with no linguistic training/interest is gonna be able to distinguish between alveolar and dental stops?

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Adúljôžal ônal kol ví éža únah kex yaxlr gmlĥ hôga jô ônal kru ansu frú.
Ansu frú ônal savel zaš gmlĥ a vek Adúljôžal vé jaga čaþ kex.
Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2016 6:39 pm 
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I don't know. Maybe they couldn't distinguish between (my) dental stops and (their) dental/interdental/whatever fricatives, either. If they heard me using /t/ or /d/ when pronouncing words that are supposed to have /θ/ or /ð/ in them, they certainly never pointed it out (with the exception of my brother, of course). So either they didn't notice this oddity in my pronunciation (since otherwise I had a pretty...like, normal American accent anyway, plus I suppose context clues helped in ambiguous cases), or they just never bothered telling me.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 29, 2016 5:29 pm 
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Oh right, I'd forgotten all about Hiberno-English!


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Adúljôžal ônal kol ví éža únah kex yaxlr gmlĥ hôga jô ônal kru ansu frú.
Ansu frú ônal savel zaš gmlĥ a vek Adúljôžal vé jaga čaþ kex.
Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh.


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what, how do they realize /-n ð-/ /-t ð-/ sequences

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2016 2:01 am 
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[n̪ð] and [t̪ð], I think. Although of course I haven't recorded them and made spectrograms or anything :P


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Adúljôžal ônal kol ví éža únah kex yaxlr gmlĥ hôga jô ônal kru ansu frú.
Ansu frú ônal savel zaš gmlĥ a vek Adúljôžal vé jaga čaþ kex.
Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2016 3:14 am 
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Well, in reality, most instances of them are going to be [n̪(n̪)] and [ʔð] I'm pretty sure. The /ð/ of grammatical words is usually swallowed by the preceding nasal, and off the top of my head I'm not coming up with other instances where a cluster of /nð/ would come up. And I think I only have contact for coda /t/ before alveolars, i.e. not /θ ð ɻ/ despite being coronals (I know /ɻ/ is that way, I'm not 100% on the dentals).

Also I really don't think most English speakers will be able to tell dentals from alveolars anyways, the functional load is so low that it doesn't matter if /nð/ is distinguished from /n/ by dental versus alveolar, there's no chance of confusing them in meaning.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2016 4:17 am 
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I just sat here whispering to myself, "[bɹ̩n̪ n̪ə wɪt͡ʃ]!...[bɹ̩n̪ n̪ə wɪt͡ʃ]!!" :D

I don't think most English-speakers will distinguish dental vs. alveolar stops - but I'm not sure they necessarily distinguish dental stops vs. /θ ð/, either. Dental stops just aren't phonemic in English. (Well, at least I don't think they are in most varieties of English...).


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