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I'd never even heard of flan until the context of learning Spanish, so for me that's usually even more [a] than the vowel in "pasta", which comes out more like [ɑ].

(Was Salmoneus one of the people earlier in this thread who pronounces an /l/ in "quesadilla"?)

Turns out I was the only one who mentioned quesadillas. The rest of the discussion I was thinking of was about guillotines.

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Hmm. Apparently, <solenoid> is /ˈsoʊ.lə.nɔɪd/, not /ˈsɔl.ə.nɔɪd/.

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[ˈsoːʊ̯ɘ̃ːˌnɔːɪ̯t] and [ˈsaːɯ̯ɘ̃ːˌnɔːɪ̯t] both sound about equally good to me.

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Dibotahamdn duthma jallni agaynni ra hgitn lakrhmi.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.

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I just learned today that the past tense of glow is glowed. I'd been saying glew all my god damn life.

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But the river tripped on her by and by, lapping
as though her heart was brook: Why, why, why! Weh, O weh
I'se so silly to be flowing but I no canna stay!

When they're reduced I don't finish the diphthong in "I'm" or "I'll", and both have pretty much the COT vowel.

Huh. I've never noticed it before, but I do more-or-less have COT in I'll.

I have COT in "solid", though; I don't have the COT-CAUGHT merger.

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I generally forget to say, so if it's relevant and I don't mention it--I'm from Southern Michigan and speak Inland North American English. Yes, I have the Northern Cities Vowel Shift; no, I don't have the cot-caught merger; and it is called pop.

Is COT the same as LOT? If so, has CAUGHT the same quality as LOT and only different length?

In case of "I'll", isn't that the diphthongue being monophthongized to the starting point? (In which case I think you can't really say it's COT.)


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But the river tripped on her by and by, lapping
as though her heart was brook: Why, why, why! Weh, O weh
I'se so silly to be flowing but I no canna stay!

I frequently have LOT in words like I'll, mile, file, while, i.e. [a(ː)ɤ̯ ma(ː)ɤ̯ fa(ː)ɤ̯ wa(ː)ɤ̯].

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Dibotahamdn duthma jallni agaynni ra hgitn lakrhmi.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.

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I generally forget to say, so if it's relevant and I don't mention it--I'm from Southern Michigan and speak Inland North American English. Yes, I have the Northern Cities Vowel Shift; no, I don't have the cot-caught merger; and it is called pop.

Before I learned to read and spell I knew the word "I'll" and grouped it in my mind with "olive". I'd say that since, even in stressed position, the vowel of I'll is always [a] (though i know it varies per dialect), that it *is* phonemic, and that the I'll that has a full diphthong is a separate word in the sense that the three pronunciations of supposed are separate words with distinct meanings.

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Are decor and decker homophones for anybody?

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