Looking for resources on Punic
Looking for resources on Punic
I'm looking for a good descriptive grammar and lexicon of Punic, the sort one could use to develop an a posteriori language.
"But if of ships I now should sing, what ship would come to me,
What ship would bear me ever back across so wide a Sea?”
What ship would bear me ever back across so wide a Sea?”
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Re: Looking for resources on Punic
There's one in this collection, under "Semitic".
Re: Looking for resources on Punic
In general, the preserved textual material in Punic is limited, so you'll probably have to draw on related Semitic languages (Hebrew, Aramaic) to fill the gaps in grammar and lexicon.
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Fantastic! Thank you.KathTheDragon wrote:There's one in this collection, under "Semitic".
Yes, I'm well aware of the difficulties. I'd already planned to fill in some gaps in the vocabulary with Hebrew (as I believe Civ5 did for Dido's dialogue) and to give my Neo-Carthaginians a helpful Aramaic adstrate.hwhatting wrote:In general, the preserved textual material in Punic is limited, so you'll probably have to draw on related Semitic languages (Hebrew, Aramaic) to fill the gaps in grammar and lexicon.
"But if of ships I now should sing, what ship would come to me,
What ship would bear me ever back across so wide a Sea?”
What ship would bear me ever back across so wide a Sea?”
Re: Looking for resources on Punic
If your Neo-Carthagineans are still located around Carthage, I'd consider Northern Berber and Arabic over Aramaic for convenient filling-in-Punic-gap loanwords (and possibly from Vandal via Gothic and African Romance, if you feel up to extrapolating a bit more). Though come to think of it, I'm not sure how much extrapolating you'll have to do for Berber as well, I don't know how reconstructions or attestations of that are before the last few hundred years.
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Berbers yes, but the Arabs weren't in North Africa at the time...
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Actually, my Neo-Carthaginians are in the Canaries. I had an idea for an alternate history in which Macaronesia (or at least the Canaries, the Azores, and Madeira) were populated from an earlier date, and I chose to populate the Canaries with Carthaginian refugees with a later adstrate of Aramaic speakers because reasons. (Honestly, by the 1490s when my intended story takes place, the reason there might have been Aramaic speakers as far west as the Canary Islands to bolster the grammar and lexicon of my Neo-Punic is millennium-old news.) The Azores, meanwhile, host an autochthonous Indo-European speaking population. I'm still pondering Madeira.
"But if of ships I now should sing, what ship would come to me,
What ship would bear me ever back across so wide a Sea?”
What ship would bear me ever back across so wide a Sea?”
Re: Looking for resources on Punic
Not at the time, no, but my suggestion was assuming they stayed in the area of Carthage during the Arabization of North Africa.zompist wrote:Berbers yes, but the Arabs weren't in North Africa at the time...
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I'll definitely be picking up some Arabic loanwords from nearby Morocco and Al-Andalus/Grenada.vokzhen wrote:Not at the time, no, but my suggestion was assuming they stayed in the area of Carthage during the Arabization of North Africa.zompist wrote:Berbers yes, but the Arabs weren't in North Africa at the time...
"But if of ships I now should sing, what ship would come to me,
What ship would bear me ever back across so wide a Sea?”
What ship would bear me ever back across so wide a Sea?”