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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 9:14 pm 
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How do languages stay agglutinative for long periods of time? It seems that after just a few conditioned changes, fusional aspects would almost immediately start to creep into the language, especially if it has loose restrictions on syllable structure. Yet the indigenous languages of North America are (correct me if I'm wrong) mostly agglutinative, and frequently have a huge range of allowed clusters. How is this possible? I can understand a bit more in the case of something like Japanese, where the syllable rules are strict enough that there are fewer possible conditioning environments that could to lead to weird stuff happening at morpheme boundaries, but it still seems hard to believe that the language could stay almost completely agglutinating for at least two thousand years. Is this due to a low number of conditioned changes (I doubt it), crazy amounts of leveling (seems more plausible), both, or something else entirely?


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Analogy.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 9:41 pm 
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While you certainly have some bizarre clusters in languages like the Salishan family, other languages have much simpler syllable shapes, like CV(C) in Tlingit or Haida. Also, agglutinating languages, especially polysynthetic ones, are tolerant of a certain level of morphophonological fusion.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2017 4:53 pm 
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It should be noted that an apparent lack of conditional sound changes is likely a consequence of analogy, due to analogy encouraging originally conditional sound changes to be either generalized or reversed, resulting in a language with only seemingly unconditional sound changes.

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