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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 9:45 am 
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I've heard that there was some on social media about some new discovery about the document. What happened exactly?

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 Post subject: Re: Voynich manuscript
PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 10:16 am 
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I don't know and couldn't find anything about it having been deciphered (only , but it's been debunked already), but I'm so glad you made a thread about it because the Voynich manuscript is one of the most interesting things ever and I'd almost forgotten about its existence. Once upon a time, for some reason I thought it might've been made by Dante, which I apparently wasn't the first to consider, but it almost certainly wasn't unless it's a copy of an original that has been lost. Anyway, I like that there are so many theories about it and how some of them are straight-up WTF material; if it turns out to be nothing more than random scribbles, that's kinda disappointing, but at least then it would open up the possibilities of conlanging using its script without it later becoming cringeworthily nonsensical, if someone's into that kinda stuff (I would be if it was included in Unicode, but that's never going to happen... which reminds me of the unoriginal idea I had to use Linear A for a conlang, but since its phonetic characteristics have supposedly been deciphered but not publicly released, that's kinda off-putting tbh...) or if it was proven to be a cypher used to sell trade secrets like some theorised and found a few somewhat convincing indications of (there was an overly dramatic documentary focusing on just that theory on TV once), that'd be kinda boring too.

Still, it'd be awesome if it was deciphered entirely and it turned out that several of the theories were true at the same time. That'd have taken some serious effort to pull off, but wouldn't be impossible. I'm not sure why there's apparently so much buzz about it this week all of a sudden, though, unless there has been some new discovery that I just can't find because I only checked the first few results on Google that seemed to suggest something has been solved and go on a long ass quest for said new information.


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 Post subject: Re: Voynich manuscript
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As far as I know, Linear A is undeciphered. I saw the article and skipped straight to the debunking without reading the original page. They said that the premise, that the document is about women's health, is already widely assumed by scholars. Is that true?

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 Post subject: Re: Voynich manuscript
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I can't understand how that isn't an interesting idea: women's health is a bit of a taboo subject in the modern west and isn't of much interest to the male-dominated society of that time. It could have a cultural impact on modern day society.

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 Post subject: Re: Voynich manuscript
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What exactly is the basis of that assumption? The bizarre and fascinating illustrations don't seem suggestive of that topic.

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I couldn't find the original claim, but apparently the hypothesis had something to do with the drawings of baths and fountains.
There are large sections dedicated to botany and astrology, which is suggestive of a medical or alchemical text.

I still prefer this theory, though: https://xkcd.com/593/


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I'd say if it was a cipher for a natlang, it would probably already have been deciphered.


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[url="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undeciphered_writing_systems"]There's plenty of undeciphered scripts that could possibly be for a natlang[/url]

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Of course, it could all be a very elaborate joke...


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My only curiosity is, here, why no one has brought up all the many arguments that the Voynich is a recent fake? In other words, a conlang. One with enviable production values?

I''m not a Europeanist, so I'm not speaking from intimacy so much as from scenting bullshit projected on others: the Voynich manuscript, to me, screams out its ~19th-century cleversticks origins.

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