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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:16 am 
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The sentence is "...as he pulled it back up"

I'm trying to figure out how to translate to my language but I don't know how to break up "pulled it back up". "Pulled" is the verb, "it" is the noun, What then is "back" and "up"? "Up" and "back" are adjectives without the other, but "back" in this case seems like an adverb and I see the idea of "phrasal verb" but that doesn't seem right. I also tried to look at this with google translate to japanese which uses SOV like I want, it seems there is no difference between "back" and "back up".

Currently I've split it up like this...
[as he] [it back up] [pulled]

Though it seems that it might be some formation of this...
[as he] [it] [pulled back up]
or
[as he] [[it] [back up]] [pulled]

I'm so confused by this


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 4:16 am 
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They are adverbs of location that describe where the pulling is directed. Notice that you can use them both very well without the other in the same position,

"he pulled it back"
"he pulled it up",

where they retain their meanings.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2017 12:54 pm 
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Interesting to me how I recognise your analysis as technically correct even as it doesn't accord with my native speaker instincts at all.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2017 1:38 pm 
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But the river tripped on her by and by, lapping
as though her heart was brook: Why, why, why! Weh, O weh
I'se so silly to be flowing but I no canna stay!


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2017 2:20 pm 
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They can also just be phrasal verbs, though, I think.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2017 2:40 pm 
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2017 5:54 pm 
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Sal's discussion is good. Basically "adverb" is the trash bin of linguistics: everything that doesn't fit into another ancient Latin word gets thrown there.

We could probably call them particles, which is another trash bin, but allows us to distinguish these from "real" adverbs.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2017 7:32 pm 
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