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Author: | Fooge [ Sat Oct 14, 2017 12:00 pm ] |
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Author: | Frislander [ Sat Oct 14, 2017 12:08 pm ] |
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Yeah, that's what happens when you teach the writing system without discussing phonetics. See also "English has five vowels" and other similar issues. Also there are dialects which do pronounce a [g] in those words, generally concentrated around Lancashire, Cheshire and Merseyside (my mother uses that pronunciation for example). |
Author: | 2+3 clusivity [ Sat Oct 14, 2017 1:00 pm ] |
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Just going to leave this here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spelling_pronunciation |
Author: | Salmoneus [ Sat Oct 14, 2017 1:46 pm ] |
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It's not a spelling pronunciation. It's also not quite as simple as "thinking there's a /g/ because there's a [g]". Most people do not, for instance, believe there to be /b/ in "debt", or /s/ in "island". The problem arises in this particular case because people know that there's not just an /n/ in these words - "sing" and "sin" aren't homophones, for instance. But because they have no words (or concepts) to describe the /N/ sound - and because, to be fair, the /N/ sound does sound a bit /g/-ish - they can only describe /N/ as being /n/ plus /g/, as it's spelled (and sort of sounds). So if you tell them there's no /g/, they get confused, because they know there's not just /n/, and they don't have the conscious concept of /N/ as an alternative for what might be there. After all, if you "drop the G" from "walking", you get "walkin'", with an /n/... it's got an apostrophe and everything! And surely if 'dropping the G' were just turning something from /N/ to /n/ - a change with no loss of elements or gain in simplicity - then it wouldn't be such a common indicator of lazy speech!? [similarly, some people think there's an /h/ in /S/ and /T/. But this is less common, probably because we don't have any productive, shibbolethical "dropping the H" process]. |
Author: | linguoboy [ Sat Oct 14, 2017 3:55 pm ] |
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Author: | Sumelic [ Sat Oct 14, 2017 4:56 pm ] |
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Author: | Fooge [ Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:44 am ] |
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Author: | zompist [ Sun Oct 15, 2017 2:43 pm ] |
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Author: | Pole, the [ Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:40 pm ] |
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Author: | Nortaneous [ Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:28 am ] |
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I've seen "t'ing" for "thing", but in the context of Caribbean kitsch |
Author: | linguoboy [ Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:27 am ] |
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Author: | Vijay [ Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:34 am ] |
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There should be a book called something like Masthead Madhouse. |
Author: | Pole, the [ Mon Oct 16, 2017 7:54 pm ] |
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Author: | linguoboy [ Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:56 am ] |
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Author: | finlay [ Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:35 am ] |
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It's transcribed into Japanese as /ng/ (or /ngu/ at the end of words ![]() Where it becomes a problem is actually for /n/ and /m/ at the end of words in English, as the Japanese coda-/n/ (ん) is underspecified for POA and actually sounds like [ɴ] or [ŋ] a lot of the time. It becomes [n] before other coronals and [m] before bilabials, but can also be [m] at the end of utterances, if the person closes their mouth after speaking for example, and before vowels it sounds downright weird, like a nasalization plus glide. And if they take this as an L2 error into English it can be difficult to understand. |
Author: | Pole, the [ Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:25 am ] |
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Author: | Sumelic [ Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:46 am ] |
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Author: | Ryusenshi [ Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:36 pm ] |
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Author: | Sumelic [ Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:07 pm ] |
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Author: | Pole, the [ Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:47 pm ] |
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Author: | finlay [ Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:04 am ] |
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Author: | Ryusenshi [ Thu Oct 19, 2017 3:02 am ] |
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