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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:58 pm 
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Look at Northern Italy - where did the velar nasal come from, given that there wasn't any velar element in the vicinity? There's other interesting stuff going on, too, but this caught my eye the most.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:04 pm 
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Earlier nasalized vowel?


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:34 pm 
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Edit: the "littera~litera" alternation seems in fact to be unrelated


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It was a typo in the Basque dictionary, people!!!


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 3:21 pm 
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Vowel length was lost in all Romlangs, so this change would need to have occurred in many other words. Perhaps it is indeed a typo, in the map itself, and there is only /ŋ/, not /ŋn/.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallo-Italic_languages says that /ŋ/ is a reflex of intervocalic /n/ and that it is lenition, not fortition.

(edited to touch up horrible mobile-phone typing)

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Romanian preserves neuters and so does Italian in a sense so I think that Proto Romance must have as well. So the differences that there are are a problem of weather it is reflected phonetically or grammatically.

For example there are nouns in Italian that are masculine in the singular and feminine in the plural. This makes perfect sense when you look at the original Latin words that they had come from. so I think that only a few of these words survived into modern Italian and they are probably the most common words since they resisted the analogy.

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