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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 5:23 am 
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Hi all,

Do we know of any languages that have changed a previous *h to j (for example before front vowels)?


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 6:15 am 
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English? (huge, human are pronounced yuge, yuman by some people.)


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 7:06 am 
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Very interesting and a good point. Although I guess more commonly the analysis would be that the vowel became a falling diphthong and the h was dropped?


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 7:45 am 
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Given that those words do have /hj/ for people who don't drop the h, yes, I'd wager that a direct change h > j isn't the case here.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 8:59 am 
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h > j was reconstructed as a change in the development of some Khoisan languages, IIRC.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:16 pm 
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Livonian: *h > j between a front vowel and any other vowel, e.g. lejā 'meat' ~ Finnish & Estonian liha.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:01 pm 
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Coptic apparently has x > š unconditionally, or at least as best we know given Egyptian phonology. It may have even been h>š. That's t least halfway by itself, and I think in uncodnitional
Š>j is reasonable.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:30 pm 
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Tropylium wrote:
Livonian: *h > j between a front vowel and any other vowel, e.g. lejā 'meat' ~ Finnish & Estonian liha.

How likely is it that that was actually lehā > leā > lejā?

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:06 am 
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Travis B. wrote:
Tropylium wrote:
Livonian: *h > j between a front vowel and any other vowel, e.g. lejā 'meat' ~ Finnish & Estonian liha.

How likely is it that that was actually lehā > leā > lejā?

Not strictly ruled out, but that would make it the only case in Livonian where something is either lost or epenthesized intervocalically.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:34 am 
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I was thinking about phonemic alternations in Korean and Spanish the other day and musing that it would be fun to have a language where /ð/ (whether from original /d/ or not) devoices to [θ] finally (cf. Castilian Madriz) and is either lost medially or becomes [j] to avoid hiatus (cf. Finnish). Final [θ] could debuccalise and you'd end up with a [j] ~ [h] alternation.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:15 am 
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Aside from Khoisan:
27.5 Proto-Mayan to Kaqchikel-Tz’utujil h → j / _#
29.1.1.1.27 Proto-Western Southern Athabaskan to Navajo {ɣ,h} → j / in prefixes related to word derivation

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