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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:04 am 
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I don't know much Greek. Is there a logical reason why this ending went to the Latin first declension (e.g. nauta etc.) rather than third declension in borrowings?

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-ης is the (Attic-Ionic) masc. nom. sg. of the Greek first declension, and itself has an older form in -ᾰ (the final sigma being borrowed from the second declension in -ος (Latin -us)). The masc. nom. sg. of the Latin first declension is -a, and there’s a very strong tendency for borrowed nouns to transfer into the equivalent class. So really there’s no logical reason why first-declension nouns with -ης, -ου in Attic should become anything other than Latin first-declension nouns in -a, -ae. See also: third-declension nouns like Σωκράτης, -ους, which remained third declension in Latin too: Sōcratēs, -is.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:30 pm 
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Also, IIRC, the oldest layer of Greek loan words in Latin came from the Doric dialects spoken in the Italian Greek colonies, where the Ionic change /a:/ > /e:/ hadn't taken place.


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isn't -te:s from *-teh2ts? why wouldn't the sigma be original?

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