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 Post subject: The word "gal".
PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 8:37 pm 
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This word apparently came from a nonrhotic pronunciation of the word "girl". How did nonrhotic "girl" give rise to "gal" however? It seems like a major change in the vowel. The word seems to be nearly extinct now. I mainly hear it among old people.


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I hear/see galpal every once in a while. Gal is common in fiction and I guess in dialects far from where I live.

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 Post subject: Re: The word "gal".
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ə > a isn't such a big change :?:


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 Post subject: Re: The word "gal".
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 Post subject: Re: The word "gal".
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...huh?

I hear 'gal' all the time, generally as the feminine counterpart to 'guy'. Then again, I work in an industry that's male-dominated, and with terms that have historically used "guy"—so, at my company when using those terms, we'll throw in 'gal' also. For example, "We're looking for a couple of iOS guys/gals to come work on this project".


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 Post subject: Re: The word "gal".
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Actually, guys is usually either gender-neutral or male specifically dependent on context rather than just gender-neutral.

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 Post subject: Re: The word "gal".
PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:15 pm 
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"Guy" is not gender-neutral. When you say something like "we need a Linux guy", everyone will picture a man. My example was bad because of the use of the plural; I much more often hear it in the singular. Another example is that our weekly reminder to fill out our timesheets frequently includes something like "If anyone doesn't do their timesheets on time, then one of us has to work the weekend. Don't be that guy/gal!"

I'll accept that "guys" when used in the vocative ("Hey guys, come check this out") is more-or-less gender neutral, but in most other circumstances, the only people I know who claim it to be gender-neutral are men. But, it's not.

(Here's one of my tests for whether or not a term is gender-neutral: construct a sentence with that word asking about a behavior that is exclusive to one sex. For example, when I ask people who claim that "guys" is "always gender-neutral" things like "How many guys do you know who menstruate?", the answer is frequently "none" (or "I see what you did there"), which belies the "gender-neutral" point)

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 Post subject: Re: The word "gal".
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Well I'm the weirdo who will answer "I haven't tried counting, but probably between 2000 and 200."

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 Post subject: Re: The word "gal".
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 Post subject: Re: The word "gal".
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As far as I know, I don't know any trans men.

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 Post subject: Re: The word "gal".
PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:44 pm 
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To clarify, what I meant is that "guy" (singular) is never gender neutral, but "guys" (particularly but not exclusively in the phrase "you guys") can be based on context. The only people I've ever known to get upset over the phrase "you guys" are Southerners, where the default second person plural is "y'all" or "all y'all."

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 Post subject: Re: The word "gal".
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I remember watching one of the Mighty Ducks movies and a girl character getting upset over "you guys", so the feeling extends at least as far as 90s LA.

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 Post subject: Re: The word "gal".
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Again, it may be that way for most people, but not for me.

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 Post subject: Re: The word "gal".
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 Post subject: Re: The word "gal".
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I often hear things along the lines of, "Hey guys, c'mere!" referring to a collective of people of indeterminate gender (or of whom gender is irrelevant). But I agree, in the singular it is typically used to indicate males in informal speech. "When a guy goes shopping..." refers to the prototypical male, and is usually followed by, "...they go in, get what they need, and leave."

Most of the time, "gal" is used as a counterpoint to "guy", very informally. My wife has on occasion talked about going "out with the gals" referring to her female coworkers, usually to lunch. Used by men in conversation with their girlfriend/spouse, "gal" can refer to "a coworker or friend that poses no credible threat to our relationship."

Referring to a female directly as "female" is too clinical; "woman" is insulting; "lady" demands respect (or can be ironically demeaning); "girl" is (depending on context) insulting, chiding, or flattery; "dame" and "broad" are 1920s slang and where did you pick up such strangeness anyway; "madam" has negative connotations of a mature nature; "ma'am" is acceptable but marks you as Southern (even if you aren't); "babe" or "baby" is sexist; "miss", like "girl", can be insulting or flattering depending on context.

In today's day and age, it is probably best to use the person's name or an avoidance strategy when speaking directly to them.


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