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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2017 11:17 am 
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What use is a "mnemonic" that lists them in the wrong order?


What's the "right" order? If not for Superior, I suppose west-to-east or east-to-west would be "right", but Superior throws a wrench into that. (although, Superior is the easy one to remember the location of: it's the northernmost)


I presume the 'right' order is probably navigational order. Although ordering by volume, area, or by alphabetical position would also make sense in certain contexts.

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Eh, navigation doesn't work either. You can't go through all of the Great Lakes without entering at least one of them twice. (you can go Michigan - Huron - Erie - Ontario, or Superior - Huron - Erie - Ontario, or Michigan - Huron - Superior, but there's no way to do all five without entering Lake Huron twice)

Well, unless you consider Michigan and Huron to be a single lake, but that's just cheating! And we can't have that with our mnemonics.

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Unfortunately, 'homes' is the only permutation of those 5 letters that actually makes an English word.


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Unfortunately, 'homes' is the only permutation of those 5 letters that actually makes an English word.


Bet WeepingElf feels like a shmoe now!

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On the other hand American geography can be funny and Kansas City isn't actually in Kansans (more or less) nor is Michigan City in Michigan.

But it is on Lake Michigan, which is what the state is named for.

When it comes to Missouri City, Texas, on the other hand, I got nothing.

And Virginia City, Nevada.

Tangentially-related fun fact: I just found out that eight other cities in the US named "Rochester" were settled by migrants from the original Rochester in western New York state, where I'll be moving in a few months.

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Local pronunciation - /ˈtoʊ.stə/

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the original Rochester in western New York state

Does not compute!

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kodé wrote:
the original Rochester in western New York state


What is this heresy?!

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Salmoneus wrote:
KathTheDragon wrote:
Unfortunately, 'homes' is the only permutation of those 5 letters that actually makes an English word.


Bet WeepingElf feels like a shmoe now!


Also Moshe! ...but that order makes no sense either.

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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 9:17 am 
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KathTheDragon wrote:
Unfortunately, 'homes' is the only permutation of those 5 letters that actually makes an English word.

How about… learning the order without a mnemonic?

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KathTheDragon wrote:
Unfortunately, 'homes' is the only permutation of those 5 letters that actually makes an English word.

How about… learning the order without a mnemonic?

How about looking at a map if I actually need to know the disposition of the lakes relative to each other?


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linguoboy wrote:
How about looking at a map if I actually need to know the disposition of the lakes relative to each other?

Well, if you can look it up, you don't need to know the names either.

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Moriarty will be so disappointed to be left out.
As will Macavity.

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Lex Luthor pretty much is Trump, if you think about it.

- well-known billionaire
- talks a lot about how bad aliens are
- mild obsession with his hair (or lack thereof)
- became president and then started having a breakdown

Luthor didn't complete his first term in office, although I think he just resigned, wasn't impeached? So who knows. Maybe that part will come true too.

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alynnidalar wrote:
Lex Luthor pretty much is Trump, if you think about it.

No, Luthor was a much better written character…

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Salmoneus wrote:
kodé wrote:
the original Rochester in western New York state

Does not compute!

Frislander wrote:
What is this heresy?!


Ah, typical ugly American mistake. I probably used "original" there to indicate that the other American Rochesters were named after this Rochester. The New York Rochester was named after some dude, who was probably named after the real original Rochester in Kent (or at least his ancestors were).


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Rochester, New York was originally called Rochesterville, named after Col. Nathaniel Rochester, one of the founders.
Wikipedia wrote:
Of the 19 places in the United States named Rochester at least eight were named directly after Rochester, New York, having been founded or settled by former residents. These include Rochester, Indiana; Rochester, Texas; Rochester, Iowa; Rochester, Kentucky; Rochester, Michigan; Rochester, Minnesota; Rochester, Nevada; and Rochester, Ohio.

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Not only does my home state of Missouri have a Rochester (named after the original original town), it also has a Thornfield.


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Champaign, Illinois was just named for Champaign, Ohio. And Urbana, Illinois was just named for Urbana, Ohio. 'Champaign' comes from an old French word for 'field' which is an apt name for Champaign, Illinois (I don't know about Ohio, Ohio has more rolling hills than here). Urbana is surely from Latin.

I'm moving to Memphis and Memphis comes from Egypt. We enjoyed stealing names of places in America.

I'd be interested to know the origin of Bloomington because we have several major cities named Bloomington in the US.

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Champaign, Illinois was just named for Champaign, Ohio. And Urbana, Illinois was just named for Urbana, Ohio. 'Champaign' comes from an old French word for 'field' which is an apt name for Champaign, Illinois (I don't know about Ohio, Ohio has more rolling hills than here). Urbana is surely from Latin.

I'm moving to Memphis and Memphis comes from Egypt. We enjoyed stealing names of places in America.


We probably don't need to go into detail on every one.

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I'd be interested to know the origin of Bloomington because we have several major cities named Bloomington in the US.


Blooming + ton. Sort of like 'Greenland'.

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Blooming + ton. Sort of like 'Greenland'.


Yes, I think most of us know what 'ton' means. I meant, what is 'Blooming?' Does it come from the verb or was it someone's surname?

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It comes from the verb

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On the contrary, the origin of Bloomington, Indiana appears to be unknown. While one theory is that it was from the verb, another theory is that it was from an early settler surnamed Bloom. (not the most reputable-looking of sites, perhaps, but it's the only thing I could find that discusses the origin of the Indiana name at all!)

Bloomington, Illinois, on the other hand, does seem to be from the verb; the Wikipedia article and city website state the settlement was originally called "Blooming Grove".

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Salmoneus wrote:
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I'm moving to Memphis and Memphis comes from Egypt. We enjoyed stealing names of places in America.

We probably don't need to go into detail on every one.

Salmoneus, toponymic spoilsport.

Memphis was named in in the early 19th century when foreign names (often lifted from newspaper headlines) were trendy. Cairo, Illinois, was founded around the same time and Goshen, Indiana, a little while later. These names were inspired by the location (the fertile valley of the country's most powerful river) and in turn led to the southern third of Illinois being nicknamed "Little Egypt".

Most of the rural part of east-central Missouri where I was exiled to in my youth was settled roughly contemporaneously, yielding such incongruities as Cuba, Florida (birthplace of Samuel Clemens, now abandoned), Louisiana, Palmyra, Moscow Mills, and of course Hannibal. Other exotic names, like Paris and Troy, were callbacks to towns further east (Paris, Kentucky, and Troy, New York, respectively).


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