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Qwynegold wrote:
blyat'

For your edification, in Russian the word is written блядь blyad' and means "whore", but it's also used widely as a swearword, as you have noted.


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There's also that Polish concept of juma.

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I've been quite busy this fall, so I haven't been around here since... September or so... but I'm back now and theoretically might be more active again. So... hi.

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Welcome back! :)


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What Vijay said

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Second both your sentiments, good to see you mate!

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Aw, thanks guys!

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Well, the Met's got itself in trouble again. For the world's senior police force, it often seems to have a very hazy grasp of legal procedures...

So, for background: not enough people get prosecuted for rape. The number of people convicted of rape is lower than the number accused, so clearly something is wrong with the legal system. It's necessary, we all now agree, to move past the antiquated procedures of investigation and examination, which undermine the victim and potentially allow rapists to avoid conviction simply due to a lack of evidence. Well, the Met has found a way around that!

In this case, a university student was accused of rape, and prosecuted. The process lasted around two years, during which, of course, he lost his job; he was prosecuted for six counts of rape and six counts of sexual assault, and faced between 10 and 20 years in jail and a lifetime on the sex offenders' register (with concomitant restrictions on employment and housing) if convicted. Until the night before his lawyer was due to cross-examine the witness, when the prosecutors supplied her with some additional evidence: 40,000 text messages from the rape victim. Somehow the defence lawyer managed to find the needle in the haystack, and forced the prosecutors to surrender and apologise to the court.

Why? Well, all along the police had had these messages, in which:
a) the victim discussed in detail with her friends her fantasies of being violently raped and assaulted by the defendant in a similar manner to the way she alleged he later did;
b) the victim repeatedly begged and pestered the defendant for more sex;
c) the victim boasted repeatedly to her friends about how great the sex she had with the defendant was and how much she liked it and wanted more of it.

The Met never handed the evidence over to the defence lawyer, or even to the prosecutors, as they felt that it was all 'not relevant' to the case - after all, the victim had already made an accusation, so the guilt of the defendant was certain, and the rest was only circumstantial trivia. In the current environment of austerity, the police said, it was routine to conceal evidence from the defence when it was 'not relevant', in order to 'save money'. They only caved in and revealed the messages to the prosecutors last month, and to the defence only now. The prosecutors then accepted that because the defence had found out about the evidence, there was now 'no realistic prospect of conviction', and offered no evidence in the trial, which thus collapsed. If the victim hadn't sent the messages to the defendant (who directed police to them, and complained to his lawyer when no mention was made of them in the evidence, who then pestered the prosecutors, who pestered the police), it's unlikely the police would ever have agreed to turn over the messages she sent to her friends.

The judge, needless to say, was pissed off quite considerably - as, to be fair, were the prosecutors, who have apologised for almost perpetrating "a massive miscarriage of justice", and have accused the police of "sheer incompetance". The police say they're aware of the case and are conducting an internal review and there's nothing to see here.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:20 pm 
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Err, which Met are you referring to?


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Salmoneus wrote:
the world's senior police force

So I guess this.


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Vijay wrote:
Salmoneus wrote:
the world's senior police force

So I guess this.


Yeah, I'm not going to feel guilty about not being clear there. Sure, there was a full stop between the clauses, but I don't think that was unvanquishable.

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I need to take a break from this forum. Maybe I'll try making it a day-long break and see how it goes from there.


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I missed the phrase "senior police force" in there; but that still wouldn't help me, because there are (apparently) two police forces known as the "Met", and I'd not have the slightest clue which one of them ranked over the other, especially as they're from different countries.

Frankly, when I read it, I thought you were referring to the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York, because that's the only use of "the Met" that I can recall ever encountering. So I was sorely confused.


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Sal's long posts on this thread are usually about British politics, though.


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Hence my confusion on why he was discussing an American art museum's bungling a rape case :)


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The way I use 'the Met' and 'the police' as synonyms throughout didn't provide a contextual hint?

I'm sorry, I'm not going to go around calling them the Metropolitan Police Service all the time. They're just called the Met - even their own website calls them the Met. I suppose I could translate to "Scotland Yard" for American readers, but that makes me feel like I'm in a Sherlock Holmes story. Likewise 'the Old Bill'.

[fun facts:
The Metropolitan Police Force (now 'Service') was established in 1829 by, and under the command of, future prime minister Robert Peel, as a result of whose patronage they came to be known as "Peelers" or (which has lasted longer) "Bobbies" (though they were also known colloquially as "coppers"). They traditionally are considered the world's oldest modern (professional, comprehensive, non-military) police force, although police units were established in 1800 in both Glasgow and Paris, albeit of smaller scale and different functions. The Met also soon came to incorporate earlier proto-police units, including the Marine Police (the oldest preventive police force, but limited to the docklands) and the Bow Street Runners (the oldest detective police force). The Met under Peel came to be the prototype on which almost all other modern police forces have been modelled.
Significant subunits of the Met include:
- The Flying Squad (AKA "The Sweeney", "The Heavy Mob"), involved in robberies and gun crime, and traditionally in being very corrupt and beating people up a lot
- Specialist Firearms Command (officially SC&O19, but still often known as SCO19, CO19, or SO19), who have guns
- Counter Terrorism Command, who incorporate, are the heirs to, and are still sometimes just called "Special Branch", who deal with national security
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Australians.
So, apparently they're all called 'Mitchell' now.

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Ziz wrote:
@Qwynegold: Lol. Surely it must be твою мать (tvoyu mat'). Aka "(fucked) your mom."

Oh, OK. Thanks! :)

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Qwynegold wrote:
blyat'

For your edification, in Russian the word is written блядь blyad' and means "whore", but it's also used widely as a swearword, as you have noted.

Huh, interesting. If you type блять into Google Translate, it says fuck. But if you type блядь, then you get first damn, and then whore, tart, prostitute, slut, bitch, hooker, tramp. Another interesting thing is that I cannot hear that last consonant being palatalized at all (I got the ь because I've seen someone else write it), but some of the other non-Russian-speaking commenters on YouTube can hear it, because they write the word as bilyach, bliaaaj, etc.

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Apparently, блять is in fact used, too, and was originally a misspelling of блядь but can only be used as an interjection (fuck! shit! fucking...!), never to actually mean 'whore', 'slut', etc. (unlike блядь, which does also mean those things).

As for the palatalization, try listening to the audio clip here. If you still can't hear it, try with headphones if you haven't already. ("Bilyach" almost looks like a combination of блядь and biatch :P).


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Huh, that's interesting.

Hmm, there it almost sounds like [t͡ɕ] to me. :o

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Qwynegold wrote:
Hmm, there it almost sounds like [t͡ɕ] to me. :o

I think that is generally true of /tʲ/ in Russian for my ears.


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iillaa chyuiii ii ii iiii iiiiiv iill iiivllv i iij
yiɬɐ chɯ-wi-yi li yi yi-yi li-yi=yɤ yiɬ liyɤɬɤ i liʔ
3PL NEG-understand-REFL because REL HABIT-REFL take-REFL=NONF bigly drug of animal
"they do not understand themselves because of their habit of taking huge amounts of animal drugs"

(in the standard dialect, /l/ palatalizes to /j/)

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Does anyone know how and why 90-120 minutes became the standard length for Western movies? (By "Western movies", in this context I mean "movies from the Western World", not "movies from the Western genre".)

(Oh, and why doesn't my English spellcheck recognize the word "movies"? And what kind of spellcheck doesn't recognize the word "spellcheck"?)


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Does anyone know how and why 90-120 minutes became the standard length for Western movies? (By "Western movies", in this context I mean "movies from the Western World", not "movies from the Western genre".)

One day, some Hollywood directors said, "How long should our movies be?" Then they went out to watch Sholay (no one ever watches really good Indian movies anymore, only overrated crap. Sigh). Of course, none of them were (North) Indian or spoke a word of Hindi, so they didn't know you're supposed to load up on snacks during intermission, get up and dance during the song sequences, etc. Naturally, at the end, they said, "That was cute and made no sense whatsoever, but my ass hurts." Then they went to see a 30-minute long movie and were like "okay, at least my ass doesn't hurt this time, but I feel like I didn't even see anything!" So they split the difference down the middle and voilà!


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Raphael wrote:
Does anyone know how and why 90-120 minutes became the standard length for Western movies? (By "Western movies", in this context I mean "movies from the Western World", not "movies from the Western genre".)


As a guess (but some Googling suggests that it's a pretty common guess): because plays were about that length. It makes a good chunk of entertainment and allows multiple runs per day.

FWIW operas seem to run longer— but movies in the classic era were shown accompanied by ads, cartoons, newsreels, and shorts, so an evening's entertainment would be over two hours.


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