Conlangery Podcast (Latest Ep: #94: Face and Politeness)

Substantial postings about constructed languages and constructed worlds in general. Good place to mention your own or evaluate someone else's. Put quick questions in C&C Quickies instead.
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Re: Conlangery Podcast (Latest Ep: #74: Vowel Harmony)

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Vuvuzela wrote:Valley Yokuts has just four vowel qualities.
Also, /i/ in Turkish is apparently [+high][+front][-round][-funny]
Hmm, interesting. I'd need to dive deeper into Yokuts, specifically on what evidence they use to justify the underspecified vowels (looking quickly at the Wikipedia, I can think of one little piece of evidence I want to see before I accept those vowels as truly underspecified).
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Re: Conlangery Podcast (Latest Ep: #74: Vowel Harmony)

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If i remember correctly, [+atr] refers to lax vowels, not tense. This is indeed confusing.

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finlay wrote:If i remember correctly, [+atr] refers to lax vowels, not tense. This is indeed confusing.
Nope. At least this chart gives [+atr] to vowels that are generally considered to be [+tense]: https://www.msu.edu/course/asc/232/DF/DF_Tables.html
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Re: Conlangery Podcast (Latest Ep: #74: Vowel Harmony)

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SILcalls it [+atr]vowels tense, but wikipedia says that this varies from language to language, although it doesn't seem to source this claim.

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It's always kind of funny to see serious linguistics papers by fellow/former Zeebers linked here.

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Re: Conlangery Podcast (Latest Ep: #74: Vowel Harmony)

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Glad to see a new episode! Will listen soon.

Do you guys mention Jamaican English? Wiki says it has vowel harmony.

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I've got some free time coming up next week so I'll try to catch up on some of these.

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Re: Conlangery Podcast (Latest Ep: #79: Cherokee (natlang))

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Apologies for slight tardiness. I did have the family Christmas to attend. Conlangery #79: Cherokee (natlang)
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Oh thank you so much Santa!

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Re: Conlangery Podcast (Latest Ep: SHORTS #03: Expand Lexeme

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Check out the latest episode, a short featuring William Annis: Conlangery SHORTS #03: Expanding your Lexemes
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Happy New Year! (Lol)
I agree about the phrases vs. words. I think you see that as a way of consolidating lexicons too like Basic English or toki pona; because I've tried these langauges I can appreciate how productive this can be, especially English light verbs and prepositional idioms (is that what they're called?) incidentally Ogden Nash called the desire of people to have a word for every idea "word magic".

What do you think of using computational linguistics resources to build up your language? I've recently stumbled on a whole pile of these and I've been trying to figure how best to use them e.g. semlink, the preposition project. (I've gotten really inspired and I feel like they're a good model for organization.)

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meltman wrote:Happy New Year! (Lol)
I agree about the phrases vs. words. I think you see that as a way of consolidating lexicons too like Basic English or toki pona; because I've tried these langauges I can appreciate how productive this can be, especially English light verbs and prepositional idioms (is that what they're called?) incidentally Ogden Nash called the desire of people to have a word for every idea "word magic".

What do you think of using computational linguistics resources to build up your language? I've recently stumbled on a whole pile of these and I've been trying to figure how best to use them e.g. semlink, the preposition project. (I've gotten really inspired and I feel like they're a good model for organization.)
Of course, things like Basic English illustrate the fact that a lexeme can be a phrase. One of the major criticisms of Basic English is that while there are only 800 "words", there are dozens of idiomatic expressions that have to be learned as separate lexical entries.
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Ollock wrote:
meltman wrote:...
Of course, things like Basic English illustrate the fact that a lexeme can be a phrase. One of the major criticisms of Basic English is that while there are only 800 "words", there are dozens of idiomatic expressions that have to be learned as separate lexical entries.
I don't see how that's worse than learning separate words, just the opposite in fact, unless the dictionary isn't very good; they should be included along with the senses of words.

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meltman wrote:I don't see how that's worse than learning separate words, just the opposite in fact, unless the dictionary isn't very good; they should be included along with the senses of words.
Whether or not it's "worse" isn't the point. It just means the claim that the language "only has 800 words" is rather dishonest.

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Trailsend wrote:
meltman wrote:I don't see how that's worse than learning separate words, just the opposite in fact, unless the dictionary isn't very good; they should be included along with the senses of words.
Whether or not it's "worse" isn't the point. It just means the claim that the language "only has 800 words" is rather dishonest.
Well, this is all true but that should be a well-aired point by now.

The best we can claim is that it productively builds on what the learner knows how to pronounce.

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Re: Conlangery Podcast (Latest Ep: #80: Zonal Auxlangs)

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Re: Conlangery Podcast (Latest Ep: #80: Zonal Auxlangs)

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Nice one! There really is a lot going on here and I congratulate you for touching on things.

I believe our very one of our very own made a Germanic conlang awhile ago.

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Just expressing my approval of the last couple of podcasts. Great work.
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brandrinn wrote:Just expressing my approval of the last couple of podcasts. Great work.
Thanks. Always good to hear.
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