Help your conlang fluency (2)

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D'açaima jèu traduçài la Lambada per dravean. Çò pòt bèn jèstro cantata :ǀ
I accidentally translated the Lambada into Dravian. It can even be sung :ǀ:

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Plorand o jal zai, qui o zurn me faiç plorar.           [pluˈran u ˈjaɫ ˈdzai  ki u ˈdzurn meˈfaiʃ pluˈrar
Plorand o jal zai, qui o zurn me faiç plorar.            pluˈran u ˈjaɫ ˈdzai  ki u ˈdzurn meˈfaiʃ pluˈrar
Jestrà cu plorand, que se recòrda de n'amur,             jesˈtra kupluˈraŋ  ke sereˈkɔrdǝ denǝˈmur
n'amur qu' o zurn ne sapò rèn coitar.                    nǝˈmur ku ˈdzurn nesǝˈpɔ ˈrɛn koiˈtar
Jestrà cu plorand, que se recòrda de n'amur,             jesˈtra kupluˈraŋ  ke sereˈkɔrdǝ denǝˈmur
n'amur qu' o zurn ne sapò rèn coitar.                    nǝˈmur ku ˈdzurn nesǝˈpɔ ˈrɛn koiˈtar

San recordarà ond que saja que jal zirà,                 ˈsaŋ rekurdǝˈra ˈoŋke ˈsajǝ keˈjaɫ ziˈra
Man recordarài sèmpro jó que saja que jestrài.           ˈmaŋ rekurdǝˈrai ˈsɛmpru ˈjoke ˈsajǝ kejesˈtrai

Dansa sol e mar, e tendrài entel còrd                    ˈdaŋtsǝ ˈsoɫ eˈmar  etæŋˈdrai æŋteɫˈkɔrd
que l'amur fa pèrdro e scontrar.                         kelǝˈmur ˈfa ˈpɛrdru eskuŋˈtrar
Cu lamband jèu jestrài, per recordarme de quèst' amur    kulǝmˈbaŋ ˈjɛu jesˈtrai perekurˈdarme deˈkɛst ǝˈmur
que per o zurn, n'instant çò foi ra.                     keperuˈdzurn nisˈtaŋ ˈʃɔ ˈfɔi ˈra

San recordarà ond que saja que jal zirà,                 ˈsaŋ rekurdǝˈra ˈoŋke ˈsajǝ keˈjaɫ ziˈra
Man recordarài sèmpro jó que saja que jestrài.           ˈmaŋ rekurdǝˈrai ˈsɛmpru ˈjoke ˈsajǝ kejesˈtrai

Jestrà cu plorand, que se recòrda de n'amur,             jesˈtra kupluˈraŋ kesereˈkɔrdǝ denǝˈmur
n'amur qu' o zurn ne sapò rèn coitar.                    nǝˈmur kuˈdzurn nesǝˈpɔ ˈrɛn koiˈtar
Cansun, rèzro e dolur, melodía d'amur,                   kǝŋˈtsuŋ ˈrɛzru e duˈlur meluˈdiǝ dǝˈmur
O momènt qu' entel' àrea pòt restar.                     umuˈmɛŋ kæŋteˈlarjǝ ˈpɔt resˈtar]
Some useful Dravian links: Grammar - Lexicon - Ask a Dravian
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Some nonsense with a naming language.

Wochiyaskuye
Wowochi kuyen yassa wochiki tasuhanekkin hotto hononniyimal.

Wochiyaskuye
wochi-yas-kuye
bird-from-fire

Spark

Wowochi kuyen yassa wochiki
wo~wochi kuye-n yas<s>a wochiki
PL~bird fire-GEN from<ACC> flight

Birds flew from the fire

tasuhanekkin hotto
tasu-han-ekki-n hot<t>o
aspen-full-basket-GEN to<ACC>

to the aspen grove

hononniyimal.
hon-onni-yima-l
DEM-falling-season-TEMP

that fall.

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yomali na tlanam amya ohi
Each day I like people less.

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Πούση;
['pu.si]
Is that possible?

[added IPA for the lulz]

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nola munku
Anything is possible.

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Ev mégadat víl myók maðrí ían uphávr, wórðt kaná mégá míl maðrí dágr hwer ðán ín dágr znímíl.
[ɛβ mɛ:gɐdɐt βi:l mjɔ:k mɐðɹi: i:jɐn uphɐ:βɹ, wɔ:ɹþt kɐnɐ: mɛgɐ: mi:l dɐ:gr hwɛɹ ðɐ:n i:n dɐ:gɹ sni:mi:l]
If he liked people a lot in the beginning, he would be able to like people less each day.

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ha ke na kola amyayek teyatse
He seems to be suggesting that I have not liked anyone.

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Ναι νειεσσάριω λ'αυσησσία, ως υνα κυαντιτάς μίνιμα.
nai neiessário l'ausissía, os yna kyantitás mímima
Not necessarily an absence, just a mininum amount.

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Thry wrote:Ναι νειεσσάριω λ'αυσησσία, ως υνα κυαντιτάς μίνιμα.
nai neiessário l'ausissía, os yna kyantitás mímima
Not necessarily an absence, just a mininum amount.
"kyantitás"? Why not "pantitás"?
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Pantiis düte ghezche sre?
panties IND.SEMB appearance IND.CAUSE
Because it looks like "panties"?

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Thry wrote:Not necessarily an absence, just a mininum amount.
ya tama
Oh, OK.

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R.Rusanov wrote:"kyantitás"? Why not "pantitás"?
Φυι δουδώς ηντε κυ-, τυ- αυ π-. Σης προβάλβε η φαίσσαιο διαλεχτάλ.
phyi doudós inte ky-, ty- au p-. sis probálbe i phaíassaio dialextál
I've been dubious between ky-, ty- or p-*. I'll probably make it dialectal.

Περ κη οκκώσσεση; Ληξίστη μήντε μυ, αυ βόνα μεμωρία;
per ki okkóssesi; liksisti minte my, au bóna memoría;
Why did it occur to you? Have you read my mind, or good memory? :P

Most likely I'll keep /kj/ with the spelling alterning between ty- and ky- because both /tj/ and /kj/ can be realized as [ci]~[c_j]. So [cʲan.ti.ˈtas].
[pan.ti.ˈtas] was a form deriving from an earlier [kʷan.ti.ˈtas], if the labialization had happened before the /u/ > /y/ > /i/ shift (/w/ > /ɥ/ > /j/), and thus the /k/ hadn't been palatalized.

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In Latin kʷ and the cluster kw were distinct. Greek dropped out w's and did various things to kʷ, but either would give a different reflex of quantitas - kantitas or pantitas. T's should probably reflect as s before front vowels too - pansitás or passitás depending on how you interpret the nasal.
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Aa i votusilia senyeminía zenente.
oh DEM.PROX communicate-string very-be.interested-ANTIP see-seem-IND
Oh, this thread looks like a lot of fun.

Sa venkuuvakuea votumantokivi mikueinenla niko netue na sente, cono ita leita iymani istavekau ente.
1SG recent-evening-ADE communicate-wall-BEN-ADJ member-INCEP-REC so new-AGT-IND NMZ reckon-IND | but DEM.PROX-3SG good sufficient-ADJ start-place-ESS seem-IND
I've just joined the board this evening so I guess I'm a noob, but this seems like a good enough place to start.

Aaku, ekeuloki vaneu.
also | everyone-BEN hello
Also, hi all.

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Weðirí mín tíl Tacvekita.
Hello, Tacvekita

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R.Rusanov wrote:In Latin kʷ and the cluster kw were distinct.
??? How is this contrast shown/known?

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Serafín wrote:
R.Rusanov wrote:In Latin kʷ and the cluster kw were distinct.
??? How is this contrast shown/known?
w turned to v in all cases in Romance
kw never turned to kf in any Romance language

QED
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R.Rusanov wrote:
Serafín wrote:
R.Rusanov wrote:In Latin kʷ and the cluster kw were distinct.
??? How is this contrast shown/known?
w turned to v in all cases in Romance
kw never turned to kf in any Romance language

QED
That's unrelated to my question about kʷ vs. kw. Also, annō dominī duōbus mīlibus et trēdecim and still rejecting conditioned sound changes!?

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Serafín wrote:
R.Rusanov wrote:In Latin kʷ and the cluster kw were distinct.
??? How is this contrast shown/known?
cui / qui?
Siöö jandeng raiglin zåbei tandiüłåd;
nää džunnfin kukuch vklaivei sivei tåd.
Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei.

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Wasn't cui /ku.i/ or /kuj/ or something?

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yes

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Muntas omeho iZBB yasakish, tacvekita.
Welcome to the ZBB, tacvekita.

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R.Rusanov wrote:In Latin kʷ and the cluster kw were distinct. Greek dropped out w's and did various things to kʷ, but either would give a different reflex of quantitas - kantitas or pantitas. T's should probably reflect as s before front vowels too - pansitás or passitás depending on how you interpret the nasal.
Cos te faç penser i sois forçad a fere issos? S'es una lenga románica, con lettras gregas i als mudars de son d'astyl greg, mas nais tods i/au de l'elyesa volta (de fact s'es una lenga románica de l'oiest, que initiau a fere mudars de son similars al greg detrás). Pois i fais haure altres mudars de son.
What makes you think I'm bound to do those? This is a Romance language, with Greek letters and some Greek-like sound changes, but not all and/or in the same time (in fact this is a Western Romance language, which started doing sound changes resembling Greek later). I can and do have other sound changes.

Mais long del fact i -nti- > -nsi- es mais applicad pretónic au quand el i es una vocal nucleiar (constantia > kostassía, ly fa lí [el mudar d'accent fou posterior]), "quantidad" es un cultism, pertant un emprestar, reanalyzad; i la pronunciatión d'ascriptura explica de perfect la forma kyantitás. S'es nais un nid, n'obstant. D'egal que hais ['kwan.to] n'espanyol y hais /'kjan.to/ nessa lenga.
Apart from the fact that -nti- > -nsi- doesn't apply pretonically or when the i is a nucleus vowel (constantia > kostassía, there it does [the accent shift was posterior]), "quantity" is a cultism, so it's a reborrowing, reanalyzed; and spelling pronunciation perfectly explains the form kyantitás. It's not needed, though, The same way I have ['kwan.to] in Spanish I have /'kjan.to/ in this lang.

*This romlang is related to the Greek romlang, and in fact they share a big common root within Western Romance.

tacvekita, benvenid!
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Aivanéunatoki amineu, teu sikei! (Sa imea lasmeltyve niko vataneituoki mena laasúve, asonneu :))
Thanks for the welcome, guys! (I'm in work at the moment so no time for interlinears, sorry :))

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uatsa tasuekita
welcome tacvekita

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