Origin of Ejectives

[baradsonoron]

In Mark Rosenfelder's Elkaril, they derived from geminates.

[Nesescosac]

Nope, those are implosives.

[Trebor]

Nope, those are implosives.

Hasn't it been speculated that ejectives and implosives are kindred spirits in a sense? So, if a language develops one through a certain process, it can obtain the other as well.

[Nesescosac]

Yeah, and in fact one Mayan language (Yucatec?) has a series /ɓ t' k'/. I was just saying that Elkarîl has implosives, not ejectives.

[Zaarin]

Yeah, and in fact one Mayan language (Yucatec?) has a series /ɓ t' k'/. I was just saying that Elkarîl has implosives, not ejectives.

Actually, Yucatec Maya has /ɓ p' t' k'/, but it does seem that /ɓ/ comes across as a "voiced version" of /p'/.

[Trebor]

Yeah, and in fact one Mayan language (Yucatec?) has a series /ɓ t' k'/.

There's Mam too, which has /b_< t_> k_> k_j_>/ks\_> q_>/.

I was just saying that Elkarîl has implosives, not ejectives.

Right. I wanted to get confirmation/disconfirmation of something I'd read.

[Nortaneous]

There's one that does something completely ridiculous like b_< t_> (some affricates) k_> G\_<.

Speaking of ridiculous Mayan languages, what's the one where all short vowels are front and all long vowels are back? (edit: it's Ixil and that's the wrong way around)

[dwk]

Travis's talk about devoiced lenis consonants not merging with fortis got me wondering if that's the explanation behind the weird word initial /s/ (before vowel) in Tirolean, it sounds somewhat 'strained' and almost like [ts] to me, it really got me a few times listening to speakers, their /s/ is normal in other posistions.

This video has good examples http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZGXgoF4upc I have to say it's more noticeable when listening to slow speakers, but I don't have a suitable recording.