Recently I heard an interview with Rita Ora talking about Beyonce. She pronounced the <o>, which I always took to be LOT, with a clear [ɒ], instead of the expected [ɑ]. I figured it was some anomaly, until I heard the song Pink, by Aerosmith, which features the word "crayon", which Steve Tyler seemed to pronounced with, again, [ɒ] instead of [ɑ].
So what's going on here? Rounding of LOT before /n/ in GenAm? Or are these just isolated incidents?
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Realization of LOT -on in GenAm
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Re: Realization of LOT -on in GenAm
Do said speakers talk in GA normally?
Re: Realization of LOT -on in GenAm
Mmm, good question. I assumed Rita Ora was American, but it seems she grew up in London. *oops* With just Steve Tyler, that doesn't leave much of a presedence...
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Re: Realization of LOT -on in GenAm
I sometimes have [ɒ] there as a hypercorrection, since the value around here is often [a] and I'm trying to keep that out of my speech.jal wrote:So what's going on here? Rounding of LOT before /n/ in GenAm? Or are these just isolated incidents?
You can hear this phenom in the local pronunciation of the toponym Chicago.
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Re: Realization of LOT -on in GenAm
genam is the linguistic equivalent of a legal fiction, and the phoneme/environment in question is one of the most volatile both between and within dialects in north america
Re: Realization of LOT -on in GenAm
I really think "Old Rocker" is a legit dialect; a lot of them (including Steven Tyler) have an odd-sounding accent to my GenAm ears.
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Re: Realization of LOT -on in GenAm
"crayon" is a particularly variable word so i wouldn't read too much into it
Siöö jandeng raiglin zåbei tandiüłåd;
nää džunnfin kukuch vklaivei sivei tåd.
Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei.
nää džunnfin kukuch vklaivei sivei tåd.
Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei.
Re: Realization of LOT -on in GenAm
There are definitely many NAE dialects that have /ɔːn/ for on, and /ɔː/ is very commonly opened to [ɒ] in NAE.
Dibotahamdn duthma jallni agaynni ra hgitn lakrhmi.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.
Re: Realization of LOT -on in GenAm
I for one have /kræn/ therefor and have heard /ˈkreɪ̯ɑn/ therefor.Nortaneous wrote:"crayon" is a particularly variable word so i wouldn't read too much into it
Dibotahamdn duthma jallni agaynni ra hgitn lakrhmi.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.