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PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 1:59 pm 
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Thūreḫos is pretty much little more than an experiment in diachronic conlanging, but is one that I've wanted to do (and have been working on) for a while. After numerous revisions, it is in a somewhat finalized state. Originally I attempted to base it phonologically off Ancient Greek, but as time went on it strayed further. The main things which make this conlang unique from (most) other IE natlangs is the preservation of laryngeals (both h1 and h2) and the front velar/back velar distinction as velar/uvular, and also a preservation of ablaut in nouns and adjectives (which, however, has become very unproductive).

I don't have much of an alternate history, but I imagine it was another wave of migration out of the Pontic-Caspian steppe shortly after the Anatolians.

There are too many sound changes too list here, but these are most of them (not in much of a chronological order):

h₁e h₂e h₃e > he χa wo
eh₁ eh₂ eh₃ > ēh āχ ōw
Ho oH oHo > χwo ōwχ ōwχwo
iH uH > īH ūχ

h₁ h₂ h₃ y w > ɛ a ɔ ɛ ɔ (if not adjacent to a vowel)

m̥ n̥ r̥ l̥ m̥̄ n̥̄ r̥̄ l̥̄ > ma na ra la maː naː raː laː / [V,#]_C
m̥ n̥ r̥ l̥ m̥̄ n̥̄ r̥̄ l̥̄ > am an ar al aːm aːn aːr aːl

bʰ dʰ ǵʰ gʰ gʷʰ > pʰ tʰ ḱʰ kʰ kʷʰ
ḱʰ kʰ ḱ k ǵ g > kʰ qʰ k q g ɢ
kʷʰ kʷ gʷ > kʰ k g / _[w,u,o]
kʷʰ kʷ gʷ > pʰ p b
b d g ɢ > v ð ɣ ʁ
ʁ > ɣ
sv sð sɣ > z z z
vs ðs ɣs > z z z
ɣ > ŋ /!#_ -> w

i e > e a
ē ō > i u
ey ow ēy ōw > ai au iː uː
ew oy ēw ōy > ou ei ei ou
ei ou > iː uː
ai au > eː oː

Somewhere around here diphthongs ei eu oi ou (and long alternatives) form.
Vowels i, u, e, o lengthen before a which disappears; a disappears after iː, uː, eː, oː

ms ns > p t
sp st sk sq > f θ x h
spʰ stʰ skʰ sqʰ > sp st sk sq
sm sn > sp st
ph th kh qh > pʰ tʰ kʰ qʰ
px tx kx qx > pʰ tʰ kʰ qʰ
sh sx > ss xx
ps ts ks qs > f θ x h
sf sθ > ff θθ
P₁P₂P₁ > P₁P₁
pʰs tʰs kʰs qʰs > ps ts ks qs
pʰl tʰl kʰl qʰl > pʰr tʰr kʰr qʰr
pʰn tʰn kʰn qʰn > pt tt kt qt
ln rn rl > nn nn rr
sw sr > fw θr

χ h > Ø / _[C,#]

Vowels shorten before laryngeals

yi yu ye yo ya > iː o i ɔ ɛ
wi wu we wo wa > e uː ɛ u ɔ
yV̄ wV̄ > V̄ V̄
V₁V₁ > V̄₁


This leaves us with the following phonology:

/m n ŋ/ <m n ŋ>
/pʰ p tʰ t kʰ k qʰ q/ <ph p th t kh k qh q>
/f v θ ð s z χ h/ <f v þ ð s z ḫ h>
/r l/ <r l>

/iː i uː u/ <i ī u ū>
/eː e oː o/ <e ē o ō>
/ɛ ɔ/ <é ó>
/a aː/ <a ā>

Stress is on the final long vowel in a word, or if none are present, it is word-initial.

I'll try to post the nominal morphology shortly. In the meantime, here's a sample sentence:

Ōithūa hā ḫóste ame é thuntarē hasās mnāst īron phanton hasās.
widow-NOM.sg rel.NOM.F.sg stay-PRS.3sg home-LOC.sg with daughter-DAT.sg F.3sg.GEN remember-PRF.3sg husband-ACC.sg dead-ACC.sg F.3sg.GEN
The widow who stays at home with her daughter remembered her dead husband.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 2:06 pm 
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Typically, the grave, not the acute, marks an open-mid vowel.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 2:17 pm 
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I just don't really like how grave accents look (plus, I originally had a phoneme that I romanized ŕ, so I wanted the diacritics to match).

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 8:44 pm 
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Yes, thank you! I love IE languages and I've always wished there was one that preserved laryngeals down into the modern day. Do you believe in voiceless aspirates for PIE, or is that a subsequent change? I like the sound changes overall, especially the "kʷ > p" series, and ɣ > ŋ , which I've used before after hearing that it happened in some dialect of Hebrew. Im just curious, what do you believe the phonetic values of the laryngeals were?

Im guessing phanton is cognate to phantom.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 11:06 pm 
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Well, my (somewhat educated) guess it that the original PIE phonemes were something like

/m n/ <m n>
/p t k q qʷ/ <p t ḱ k kʷ>
/bʱ dʱ gʱ ɢʱ ɢʱʷ/ <bʰ dʰ ǵʰ gʰ gʷʰ>
/b d g ɢ ɢʷ/ <b d ǵ g gʷ>
/s χ ʁʷ h/ <s h₁ h₃ h₂>
/w r l j/ <w r l y>

/(i iː u uː)/ <i ī u ū>
/ɛ ɛː ɔ ɔː/ <e ē o ō>
/(a aː)/ <a ā>

Of course, this could all be very far off. It's just what appears to me what is the most likely (and perhaps a bit of how I'd like it to be...).

As for phanton, it comes from PIE *gʷʰn̥tós (*gʷʰn̥tóm in the accusative singular), from PIE *gʷʰen-. And an English cognate (from *gʷʰen-) is bane.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 01, 2015 11:48 am 
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Very interesting. Which of the stems does "Ōithūa" come under? -ā?


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