I like how you gave some letters use as consonant clusters, as well as using the breves in loan words. I will use the clusters initially.Porphyrogenitos wrote:Okay, if we're going off this one:
A few mergers have taken place. The orthography distinguishes a few allophones and has a number of letters for particular consonant or CV clusters.a ā å b c č d e ē f g ħ h i ī j k l ł m n ñ ń ņ ň ľ ĺ o ō œ ø õ ö p q r ŕ ř s š t u ů ū ü v w x y ÿ z ž ' £ ^ / < > 7 3 ư ơ ả ẻ ỉ ỏ ở ủ ử ỡ đ þ ŗ ļ ķ ģ ḥ ŀ n̈ ŋ ă ĕ ĭ ŏ ŭ g̊ f̧ f̈ x̂ ẋ ẍ
/a aː/ a ā
/æ/ å
/u uː/ u ū
/y ʉ/ ü ů
/o oː/ o ō
/ø ʊ/ ö õ
/œ ə/ œ ø
/e eː/ e ē
/i iː/ i ī
/m n ɲ ŋ ŋʷ/ m n ň ñ ń
[n̩ ŋ̍] n̈ ŋ
/jn/ ņ
/b d ɟ g ʁ/ b d j g g̊
/uʔ oʔ ʊʔ/ ư ơ
/ha he hi ho hoʔ hu huʔ/ ả ẻ ỉ ỏ ở ủ ử
/p t t͡s c k q ʔ/ p t c č k q 7
/jk/ ķ
/v ð z ʒ ɣ ʁ ɦ/ v đ z ž ģ ẋ ħ
[w] w
/f θ s ʃ ç x χ h/ f þ s š ẍ x x̂ h
[ɸ] f̈
/hq/ £
/ʁʔ/ 3
/l ʒ r/ l ĺ r
/lʔ/ ľ
/j ɥ/ y ÿ
[ɫ] ł
/wr/ ř
/ʁʷ/ ŕ
/jr jl/ ŗ ļ
/jf/ f̧
/lː/ ŀ
Other geminate consonant: '
Colloquial abbreviations:
pfft! ^
hm? /
"yes" <
"no" >
Used in loanwords for various purposes: ă ĕ ĭ ŏ ŭ
Sample text: [ʔajloː hʉsenːaʁʷ tulqiðy] 7aļō hůsen'aŕ tułqiđü
(C'mon, I gave it a try.)
Now create a phoneme inventory for this Romanization:
a i o oo y j p t k λ s z v
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What about: a b ch D e gh H I j l m n ng ŋ o p q Q r rzh S t tlh u v w y z ẞ þ Þ '
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Mine is next.netzakh wrote:What about: a b ch D e gh H I j l m n ng ŋ o p q Q r rzh S t tlh u v w y z ẞ þ Þ '
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The one after my romanization of someone else's is next.Birdlang wrote:Next:
a á æ ǽ b c d e é ə f g h i í j k l m n o ó œ œ́ p q r ʀ s t u ú v w x y ý z (the capital form of ə is Ǝ; the capital form of ʀ is Ʀ)
/a æ e ã i o ø u y/ a æ e ə i o œ u y
Acute indicates stress
/p t k b d g/ p t k b d g
/m n/ m n
/tS dZ gG/ c j q
/f v v_t s z X R/ f v w s z x ʀ
/r l/ r l
J is j before the front vowels.
W is w before central vowels.
L is L before front unrounded vowels.
Sample sentences:
Jeʀ ə Ǽlwat. Ǝ lœnsábanje re Rudgar. jeR ã æl"wat ã lønsa"bandZe re rudgar
Yl ə lœnsábanje re Ʀontóm? yl ã lønsa"bandZe re Rontom"
Next
Aa, Bb, Cc, d, e, f, g, h, Ii, j, k, l, m, n, o, p, q, r, s, t, u, v, w, x, y, z
Macron over vowels ī
Ogonek under vowels į
ʼNʼn, Ññ, Ƙƙ, þ, Əə, ë, ä, ï, ö, ü, ÿ, ə̈, ġ, Ğğ, Ŧŧ, ḥ, Θθ, Δδ, ɛ, Ɣɣ, Ðð, ḍ, N̈n̈, Ŋŋ, ẓ, ṭ, ø, ơ, œ, ů, ụ, ß, Ƴƴ, Ææ, å, ɛ, Ħħ, Λλ, ẏ, ȧ, ė, ȯ, u̇, î, Ẅẅ, Ƿƿ, Łł, ị, ẹ, ọ, ź, ž, š, ś, ć, č, Ɗɗ, Ɓɓ, ṣ, ẗ, x̂, ẍ, ẋ, s̃, c̃, z̃, d̈, l̈, ṅ, n̄, r̈, Q̆q̆, ẑ, ĉ, ŝ, t̂, d̂, l̂, n̂, r̂, ĵ, e̊, i̊, o̊, ẙ, ẘ, ẇ, J̧j̧, z̧, ç, ş, Ḑḑ, Ṕṕ, ṗ, Ṙṙ, ṡ, ċ, ż, ḋ, L̇l̇, Ṫṫ, ṽ, m̄, m̃, p̃, p̄, R̄r̄, Ḩḩ, Y̧y̧, W̄w̄, Q̇q̇, Ģģ, P̊p̊, K̇k̇, K̈k̈, ', Ńń
Breve over vowels, Ǥǥ, in this language, the stroke goes through the hook of the lowercase g, ƶ, ƣ, ƛ, ƚ, ƽ, ɫ, ɇ, ɉ, ɋ, ɍ, ɏ, ʒ, ʃ, ɲ, ɂ, ȼ, ɔ (in this language, a reversed c), ƨ, ƀ, ŀ, ⱡ, ⱨ, ⱪ, ⱬ, ḫ, ḏ, ṯ, ẕ, ẖ, ḁ, ʉ, ʊ, ʋ, ʌ, ɽ, ƕ
Sample: Takį īnolyčī ėdārūlēkā nÿān' tōvv. Ke'ēt kïłłīmārū b'gåk tūīńāšēčōvūƽ.
I want the pronunciation of some consonants to be strange and unexpected.
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What about: a b ch D e gh H I j l m n ng ŋ o p q Q r rzh S t tlh u v w y z ẞ þ Þ '
OK
/A E I O U/ a e I o u
/p b t d tS tK q ?/ p b t D ch tlh q Q
/m n J N/ m n ng ŋ
/p\ f v s z S Z r_r G R/ Þ þ v S z ẞ j rzh gh w/H H is used medially and finally, and w is used initially
/r l j R\/ r l y '
OK
/A E I O U/ a e I o u
/p b t d tS tK q ?/ p b t D ch tlh q Q
/m n J N/ m n ng ŋ
/p\ f v s z S Z r_r G R/ Þ þ v S z ẞ j rzh gh w/H H is used medially and finally, and w is used initially
/r l j R\/ r l y '
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NextBirdlang wrote:What about: a b ch D e gh H I j l m n ng ŋ o p q Q r rzh S t tlh u v w y z ẞ þ Þ '
OK
/A E I O U/ a e I o u
/p b t d tS tK q ?/ p b t D ch tlh q Q
/m n J N/ m n ng ŋ
/p\ f v s z S Z r_r G R/ Þ þ v S z ẞ j rzh gh w/H H is used medially and finally, and w is used initially
/r l j R\/ r l y '
a ā b c ć d e ē f g h i ī j k l m n ñ o ō p q r s ś t u ū v ß w x y ÿ z ź ⱡ ł ɫ ƚ ǥ ƿ ȝ ƣ ƶ ɣ ɲ ŋ ƨ ƽ ɋ ɍ ɏ ɉ ƕ ɇ ⱥ ⱦ ḫ ḥ ʿ ʾ ɂ
All vowels can have a macron, even the ones that aren't a/e/i/o/u.
Ōś zwīyin kajūlmekkā dēnīr. Sāśćīn śiyeźnō.
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/p b t d k ɡ q ɢ ʔ ʡ/ p b t d k g q ƣ ɂ ʾ
/f v θ x ɣ X ʁ h ɦ ʜ ʢ/ f v ⱦ x ɣ ɋ ǥ h ḫ ʿ ḥ
/s z ʂ ʐ ɕ ʑ/ s z ß ƨ ś ź
/ts dz ʈʂ ɖʐ tɕ dʑ/ c ƶ ƽ ƿ ć ɉ
/ǀ ⱡ/ ƚ ⱡ
/m n ɲ ŋ ɴ/ m n ɲ ŋ ñ
/l ɫ ʟ r ʀ/ l ł ɫ r ɍ
/ʍ w j̊ j/ ƕ w ȝ j
/ɨ~ʉ/ ÿ, remaining vowels including <y> as in IPA
Macrons indicate length, letters with a stroke through them not listed above have merged with their unstroked counterparts.
/oːɕ zwiːy̯in kajuːlmekkaː deːniːr saːɕtɕiːn ɕiːy̯eʑnoː/
Let's have some fun with a reverse Cyrillicization:
а б в г д е ё ж з ҙ ѕ и й к л м н о п р с ҫ т у ў ф х ц ч џ ш э ю я
Unlike Russian, <ё> CANNOT be replaced with <e> in the spelling.
Ҫайн рёстон, яў ѕедюм вария лимотон.
Фики начко жаўрула џемяҙон?
Гам али деўм басон.
/f v θ x ɣ X ʁ h ɦ ʜ ʢ/ f v ⱦ x ɣ ɋ ǥ h ḫ ʿ ḥ
/s z ʂ ʐ ɕ ʑ/ s z ß ƨ ś ź
/ts dz ʈʂ ɖʐ tɕ dʑ/ c ƶ ƽ ƿ ć ɉ
/ǀ ⱡ/ ƚ ⱡ
/m n ɲ ŋ ɴ/ m n ɲ ŋ ñ
/l ɫ ʟ r ʀ/ l ł ɫ r ɍ
/ʍ w j̊ j/ ƕ w ȝ j
/ɨ~ʉ/ ÿ, remaining vowels including <y> as in IPA
Macrons indicate length, letters with a stroke through them not listed above have merged with their unstroked counterparts.
/oːɕ zwiːy̯in kajuːlmekkaː deːniːr saːɕtɕiːn ɕiːy̯eʑnoː/
Let's have some fun with a reverse Cyrillicization:
а б в г д е ё ж з ҙ ѕ и й к л м н о п р с ҫ т у ў ф х ц ч џ ш э ю я
Unlike Russian, <ё> CANNOT be replaced with <e> in the spelling.
Ҫайн рёстон, яў ѕедюм вария лимотон.
Фики начко жаўрула џемяҙон?
Гам али деўм басон.
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A bit Germanic:
/m n/ <м н>
/p t ts tʃ k/ <п т ц ч к>
/b d dz dʒ g/ <б д ѕ џ г>
/f s ʃ ɕ~ç h/ <ф с ш ҫ х>
/v z ʒ ʑ~ʝ/ <в з ж ҙ>
/r l j w/ <р л й ў>
/i u e o ɑ~ɒ/ <и у е~э о а>
/y ø æ/ <ю ё я>
Ҫайн рёстон, яў ѕедюм вария лимотон.
Фики начко жаўрула џемяҙон?
Гам али деўм басон.
/çɑjn røston æw dzedym vɑriæ limoton/
/fiki nɑtʃko ʒɑwrulɑ dʒemæʝon/
/gɑm ɑli dewm bɑson/
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<p ᵽ t c k ṗ ᵽ̇ ṭ ċ ḳ b ƀ d j g s h r l y w ʼ n m>
<a i u e o á í ú é ó>
Phrotcʼó íʼánaᵽri njésrodká ᵽʼrigṭha.
Síṗṗlódikʼáho imbrékású ḳʼóᵽ̇ nandáttag!
Ƀíútʼephlidó ᵽ̇okhrá wilidgá sihiḳċhródéí yaggí.
/m n/ <м н>
/p t ts tʃ k/ <п т ц ч к>
/b d dz dʒ g/ <б д ѕ џ г>
/f s ʃ ɕ~ç h/ <ф с ш ҫ х>
/v z ʒ ʑ~ʝ/ <в з ж ҙ>
/r l j w/ <р л й ў>
/i u e o ɑ~ɒ/ <и у е~э о а>
/y ø æ/ <ю ё я>
Ҫайн рёстон, яў ѕедюм вария лимотон.
Фики начко жаўрула џемяҙон?
Гам али деўм басон.
/çɑjn røston æw dzedym vɑriæ limoton/
/fiki nɑtʃko ʒɑwrulɑ dʒemæʝon/
/gɑm ɑli dewm bɑson/
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<p ᵽ t c k ṗ ᵽ̇ ṭ ċ ḳ b ƀ d j g s h r l y w ʼ n m>
<a i u e o á í ú é ó>
Phrotcʼó íʼánaᵽri njésrodká ᵽʼrigṭha.
Síṗṗlódikʼáho imbrékású ḳʼóᵽ̇ nandáttag!
Ƀíútʼephlidó ᵽ̇okhrá wilidgá sihiḳċhródéí yaggí.
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/p p̪ t c k ʔ/ <p ᵽ t c k '>
/b̥ b̪̥ d̥ ɟ̊ ɡ̊/ <ṗ ᵽ̇ ṭ ċ ḳ> (supposed to be slack voiced)
/b b̪ d ɟ ɡ/ <b ƀ d j g>
/m n/ <m n>
/s h l r> s h l r
/j w/ <y w>
/a e i o u/ <a e i o u>
Acutes indicate high tone.
/phròtcʔó íʔánàp̪rì nɟésròdká p̪ʔrìgd̥hà/
/síb̥b̥lódìkʔáhò ìmbrékású ɡ̊ʔób̪̥ nàndáttàg/
/ƀíútʔèphlìdó b̪̥òkhrá wìlìdgá sìhìɡ̊ɟ̊hródéí yàggí/
Next:
a b c č d ð e f g ğ h i j k l m n ŋ o p r s š t u v w x y z ž ʒ ǯ þ ɂ
Edit: Forgot the sample:
Fedeğ kaɂpulla camar šaŋkar je tyman.
Þilðan mot, illena tel mego da.
/b̥ b̪̥ d̥ ɟ̊ ɡ̊/ <ṗ ᵽ̇ ṭ ċ ḳ> (supposed to be slack voiced)
/b b̪ d ɟ ɡ/ <b ƀ d j g>
/m n/ <m n>
/s h l r> s h l r
/j w/ <y w>
/a e i o u/ <a e i o u>
Acutes indicate high tone.
/phròtcʔó íʔánàp̪rì nɟésròdká p̪ʔrìgd̥hà/
/síb̥b̥lódìkʔáhò ìmbrékású ɡ̊ʔób̪̥ nàndáttàg/
/ƀíútʔèphlìdó b̪̥òkhrá wìlìdgá sìhìɡ̊ɟ̊hródéí yàggí/
Next:
a b c č d ð e f g ğ h i j k l m n ŋ o p r s š t u v w x y z ž ʒ ǯ þ ɂ
Edit: Forgot the sample:
Fedeğ kaɂpulla camar šaŋkar je tyman.
Þilðan mot, illena tel mego da.
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Wait a minute, are those barred l being used as clicks?StrangerCoug wrote:/p b t d k ɡ q ɢ ʔ ʡ/ p b t d k g q ƣ ɂ ʾ
/f v θ x ɣ X ʁ h ɦ ʜ ʢ/ f v ⱦ x ɣ ɋ ǥ h ḫ ʿ ḥ
/s z ʂ ʐ ɕ ʑ/ s z ß ƨ ś ź
/ts dz ʈʂ ɖʐ tɕ dʑ/ c ƶ ƽ ƿ ć ɉ
/ǀ ⱡ/ ƚ ⱡ
/m n ɲ ŋ ɴ/ m n ɲ ŋ ñ
/l ɫ ʟ r ʀ/ l ł ɫ r ɍ
/ʍ w j̊ j/ ƕ w ȝ j
/ɨ~ʉ/ ÿ, remaining vowels including <y> as in IPA
Macrons indicate length, letters with a stroke through them not listed above have merged with their unstroked counterparts.
/oːɕ zwiːy̯in kajuːlmekkaː deːniːr saːɕtɕiːn ɕiːy̯eʑnoː/
Let's have some fun with a reverse Cyrillicization:
а б в г д е ё ж з ҙ ѕ и й к л м н о п р с ҫ т у ў ф х ц ч џ ш э ю я
Unlike Russian, <ё> CANNOT be replaced with <e> in the spelling.
Ҫайн рёстон, яў ѕедюм вария лимотон.
Фики начко жаўрула џемяҙон?
Гам али деўм басон.
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Next:
a b c č d ð e f g ğ h i j k l m n ŋ o p r s š t u v w x y z ž ʒ ǯ þ ɂ
/p t ts tS k ? b d dz dZ g/ p t c č k ɂ b d ʒ ǯ g
/m n N/ m n ŋ
/f v T D s z S Z x G/ f v þ ð s z š ž x ğ
/r l w j/ r l w j
/a e i o u y/ a e i o u y
Fedeğ kaɂpulla camar šaŋkar je tyman. fedeG ka?pulla tsamar SaNkar je tyman
Þilðan mot, illena tel mego da. TilDan mot, illena tel mego da
Sample text
Epogemmic an alien language spoken by a species that can pronounce any sound.
Ꜥo cucazē ȣāȣo hoƚa ꝕāꜣāȣā vāri. Ȼā egwī fētē logākā varū? Kekō ɲoko fīčē bi taƚa. Qā fupā ziłodu qōgāqō ⱦōčū ⱦāȣāzēqečū. Ȼāⱡā vukoɲēpē xizaɍełe reɂā quƀēdūga ŋāqūči. Egyptological ayin then p with squirrel tail then Egyptological aleph are the box characters.
C=ptkbdgčcfhqswxz
R=rlvjšž
V=ieaouāēīōū
N=mnŋƚⱡɫǥłƕƿɂɉɋɍɏȼⱦꝗꝙꝕꜣꜥⱳɦɥɣɱɲƣȝȥȣ b with stroke additional box characters q with stroke through descender q with diagonal stroke p with squirrel tail Egyptological alef and ayin w with hook.
a b c č d ð e f g ğ h i j k l m n ŋ o p r s š t u v w x y z ž ʒ ǯ þ ɂ
/p t ts tS k ? b d dz dZ g/ p t c č k ɂ b d ʒ ǯ g
/m n N/ m n ŋ
/f v T D s z S Z x G/ f v þ ð s z š ž x ğ
/r l w j/ r l w j
/a e i o u y/ a e i o u y
Fedeğ kaɂpulla camar šaŋkar je tyman. fedeG ka?pulla tsamar SaNkar je tyman
Þilðan mot, illena tel mego da. TilDan mot, illena tel mego da
Sample text
Epogemmic an alien language spoken by a species that can pronounce any sound.
Ꜥo cucazē ȣāȣo hoƚa ꝕāꜣāȣā vāri. Ȼā egwī fētē logākā varū? Kekō ɲoko fīčē bi taƚa. Qā fupā ziłodu qōgāqō ⱦōčū ⱦāȣāzēqečū. Ȼāⱡā vukoɲēpē xizaɍełe reɂā quƀēdūga ŋāqūči. Egyptological ayin then p with squirrel tail then Egyptological aleph are the box characters.
C=ptkbdgčcfhqswxz
R=rlvjšž
V=ieaouāēīōū
N=mnŋƚⱡɫǥłƕƿɂɉɋɍɏȼⱦꝗꝙꝕꜣꜥⱳɦɥɣɱɲƣȝȥȣ b with stroke additional box characters q with stroke through descender q with diagonal stroke p with squirrel tail Egyptological alef and ayin w with hook.
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Yes. It's the Reverse Romanization CHALLENGE Thread, after all.Birdlang wrote:Wait a minute, are those barred l being used as clicks?
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That is actually pretty cool. I didn't realize a language spoken by sparrows could have the palatal and dental click.StrangerCoug wrote:Yes. It's the Reverse Romanization CHALLENGE Thread, after all.Birdlang wrote:Wait a minute, are those barred l being used as clicks?
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I started making something for the alphabet in OP, but didn't finish it until now. Sorry for the x-sampa; I'm at work. I have tried to make a table that shows all the vowel letters and sounds. There are nine types:
1: Mid tone, short.
2: High tone, long.
3: Low tone, long.
4: Formerly high tone with pharyngeal coda.
5: Formerly low tone with pharyngeal coda.
6: High tone, short.
7: Low tone, short.
8: Diphthong.
9: Nasalized.
Some vowels are repeated due to mergers. Gaps in the table are due to the given vowel never existing in the first place.
More explanations:
Originally there were three tones for short vowels, and two for long ones. Low tone is found before a former or still existing voiced consonant, and high tone before unvoiced.
/V/ and /M/ arose from the combination of a vowel + some pharyngeal consonant. The pharyngeal consonant pulled the front vowels back, then the rounded back vowels merged with the unrounded ones. The pharyngeal also pulled down the high tone into middle. Then the pharyngeal consonant disappeared.
There were diphthongs ending with /I/, but this pulled the back vowels to the front, creating /e:/ and /i:/. These are distinguished from the original /e:, i:/ because they have kept their falling tone, which only diphthongs had.
The schwa only appears in certain environments. It only distinguishes two tones. Maybe the middle toned schwa elided. Some schwas merged so that high tone is only found on the short ones, and low tone on the long ones. /@n/ has turned into a nasalized vowel. Since /n/ is voiced, only low tone could be possible for /@~:/.
/m n n_j J/ <m n ń ñ>
/p b t d cC J\j\ k g q ?/ <p b t d ć j k g q '>
/ts dz tS/ <c ż č>
/f v s z s_j z_j S Z s`~z` C h/ <f v s z ś ź š ž ß ç h>
/4/ <r>
/l l_j j w/ <l ł y w>
[s`] and [z`] could be said to be in complementary distribution, [s`] only appearing after high tone vowels and [z`] after low tone.
Some random text examples:
Unam fašhy žūcû zes dÿ śedē, wự ugan du yohê ńimžeš ćọ ponự e tega rÿ šorwẹ.
[?u_1na_1m fa_5Shi_3 Zu:_5tsu_5 ze_5s d@:_1 s_je_1de:_5 wM_1 ?u_1ga_1n du_3 jo_5he_5 n_ji_1mZe_5S cCo_1 po_1nM_1 ?e_3 te_1ga_3 4@:_1 So_1rwe_1]
Łabø nalem šơ'y vụ nîśÿ bo çÿ zî. Çiz łẹ cơćî gekuš xøhị râ gÿzńā.
[l_ja_1b@_5 na_1le_1m SV_3?i_3 vu_1 ni_5s_j@:_1 bo_3 C@:_1 zi_5. Ci_1z l_je_1 tsV_3cCi_5 ge_5ku_5S X\@_5hi_1 4a_5 g@_5zn_ja:_5]
Mu qaża fôß ńõłị nø. Wosżự fezźy qenrẹß dol fińa żæcâ.
[mu_3 qa_1dza_3 fo_5s` n_j@~:_1l_ji_1 n@_5. wo_5sdzM_1 fe_1zz_ji_3 qe_1n4e_1z` do_1l fi:_\n_ja_3 dzaI_\tsa_5]
I don't know if I can post the next challenge, but here goes:
a b c d e ȩ f ƒ g h ĥ i ij j k ƙ l m n o p ƥ s t ƭ u v w ŵ x y ƴ z (you may create digraphs using these letters)
1: Mid tone, short.
2: High tone, long.
3: Low tone, long.
4: Formerly high tone with pharyngeal coda.
5: Formerly low tone with pharyngeal coda.
6: High tone, short.
7: Low tone, short.
8: Diphthong.
9: Nasalized.
Some vowels are repeated due to mergers. Gaps in the table are due to the given vowel never existing in the first place.
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a ā ä ơ ợ â ạ æ
a3 a5: a1: V3 V1 a5 a1 aI32
e ē ë ơ ợ ê ẹ œ
e3 e5: e1: V3 V1 e5 e1 eI32
y ī ï ư ự î ị
i3 i5: i1: M3 M1 i5 i1
o ō ö ô ọ ė
o3 o5: o1: o5 o1 e:32
u ū ü û ụ i
u3 u5: u1: u5 u1 i:32
ø ÿ ơ ợ ø ÿ œ õ
@5 @1: V3 V1 @5 @1:eI32 @~:1
Originally there were three tones for short vowels, and two for long ones. Low tone is found before a former or still existing voiced consonant, and high tone before unvoiced.
/V/ and /M/ arose from the combination of a vowel + some pharyngeal consonant. The pharyngeal consonant pulled the front vowels back, then the rounded back vowels merged with the unrounded ones. The pharyngeal also pulled down the high tone into middle. Then the pharyngeal consonant disappeared.
There were diphthongs ending with /I/, but this pulled the back vowels to the front, creating /e:/ and /i:/. These are distinguished from the original /e:, i:/ because they have kept their falling tone, which only diphthongs had.
The schwa only appears in certain environments. It only distinguishes two tones. Maybe the middle toned schwa elided. Some schwas merged so that high tone is only found on the short ones, and low tone on the long ones. /@n/ has turned into a nasalized vowel. Since /n/ is voiced, only low tone could be possible for /@~:/.
/m n n_j J/ <m n ń ñ>
/p b t d cC J\j\ k g q ?/ <p b t d ć j k g q '>
/ts dz tS/ <c ż č>
/f v s z s_j z_j S Z s`~z` C h/ <f v s z ś ź š ž ß ç h>
/4/ <r>
/l l_j j w/ <l ł y w>
[s`] and [z`] could be said to be in complementary distribution, [s`] only appearing after high tone vowels and [z`] after low tone.
Some random text examples:
Unam fašhy žūcû zes dÿ śedē, wự ugan du yohê ńimžeš ćọ ponự e tega rÿ šorwẹ.
[?u_1na_1m fa_5Shi_3 Zu:_5tsu_5 ze_5s d@:_1 s_je_1de:_5 wM_1 ?u_1ga_1n du_3 jo_5he_5 n_ji_1mZe_5S cCo_1 po_1nM_1 ?e_3 te_1ga_3 4@:_1 So_1rwe_1]
Łabø nalem šơ'y vụ nîśÿ bo çÿ zî. Çiz łẹ cơćî gekuš xøhị râ gÿzńā.
[l_ja_1b@_5 na_1le_1m SV_3?i_3 vu_1 ni_5s_j@:_1 bo_3 C@:_1 zi_5. Ci_1z l_je_1 tsV_3cCi_5 ge_5ku_5S X\@_5hi_1 4a_5 g@_5zn_ja:_5]
Mu qaża fôß ńõłị nø. Wosżự fezźy qenrẹß dol fińa żæcâ.
[mu_3 qa_1dza_3 fo_5s` n_j@~:_1l_ji_1 n@_5. wo_5sdzM_1 fe_1zz_ji_3 qe_1n4e_1z` do_1l fi:_\n_ja_3 dzaI_\tsa_5]
I don't know if I can post the next challenge, but here goes:
a b c d e ȩ f ƒ g h ĥ i ij j k ƙ l m n o p ƥ s t ƭ u v w ŵ x y ƴ z (you may create digraphs using these letters)
Re: Reverse Romanization Challenge Thread
/a e ã i 1 o u/ a e ę I ij o u
/p p' b t t' d k k' g/ p p with hook b t t with hook d k k with hook g
/J\_>/ y with hook
/p\ B f v s z Z/ f with hook w with circumflex f w s z h with circumflex
/m n/ m n
/r/ r
/l/ l
/j H M\ w/ j y x w
Next
a c e g h i n ń ñ o p q t u v y z â ê î ô û ā ē ī ō ū æ ä ë ï ö œ ø õ ã ü ⱡ l ł ᵫ r j q x w m ɫ ɍ ǀ ǁ ǂ ǃ ʘ ʉ ʋ ʊ ƚ ƛ λ ħ ǥ kv gv ǥv ƽ ƿ ƕ ȳ ȧ ȫ ȭ ȯ ȱ ǟ ǡ ǣ ư ơ ƣ ȝ ɣ ɣv ẋ ẋv ẍ ẍv ʕ ʕv ʔ
/p p' b t t' d k k' g/ p p with hook b t t with hook d k k with hook g
/J\_>/ y with hook
/p\ B f v s z Z/ f with hook w with circumflex f w s z h with circumflex
/m n/ m n
/r/ r
/l/ l
/j H M\ w/ j y x w
Next
a c e g h i n ń ñ o p q t u v y z â ê î ô û ā ē ī ō ū æ ä ë ï ö œ ø õ ã ü ⱡ l ł ᵫ r j q x w m ɫ ɍ ǀ ǁ ǂ ǃ ʘ ʉ ʋ ʊ ƚ ƛ λ ħ ǥ kv gv ǥv ƽ ƿ ƕ ȳ ȧ ȫ ȭ ȯ ȱ ǟ ǡ ǣ ư ơ ƣ ȝ ɣ ɣv ẋ ẋv ẍ ẍv ʕ ʕv ʔ
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Re: Reverse Romanization Challenge Thread
jesus christ man i mean have you ever actually seen a language that uses that many uncommon letters? and what happened to providing a sample?
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Re: Reverse Romanization Challenge Thread
Yeah cmon Birdlang, not all languages can be Ubykh/Nuxalk/Vietnamese mashups. Just saying. A small selection of graphemes or a moderate-sized selection with an interesting twist would make just as interesting a challenge.
Re: Reverse Romanization Challenge Thread
OKPorphyrogenitos wrote:Yeah cmon Birdlang, not all languages can be Ubykh/Nuxalk/Vietnamese mashups. Just saying. A small selection of graphemes or a moderate-sized selection with an interesting twist would make just as interesting a challenge.
a ā c e ē g h i ī j k m n o ō p q r s t u ū w x z ɲ ǥ ꝛ/R rotunda ỻ/Middle Welsh ll
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Re: Reverse Romanization Challenge Thread
Thanks.Birdlang wrote:OKPorphyrogenitos wrote:Yeah cmon Birdlang, not all languages can be Ubykh/Nuxalk/Vietnamese mashups. Just saying. A small selection of graphemes or a moderate-sized selection with an interesting twist would make just as interesting a challenge.
a ā c e ē g h i ī j k m n o ō p q r s t u ū w x z ɲ ǥ ꝛ/R rotunda ỻ/Middle Welsh ll
/ä ə/ <ā a>
/ɛi̯ e/ <ē e>
/i ɪ/ <ī i>
/y u/ <ū u>
/ɔu̯ o/ <ō o>
/m n ɲ/ <m n ɲ>
/p t c k q/ <p t c k q>
Lenited intervocalically:
[ɦ d͡z ɟ g ʁ] <h j z g ǥ>
/s ʃ/ <s x>
/v/ <w>
/l ɾ ð/ <[ll ligature] [r rotunda] r>
Fortited word-initially:
[ɬ l ɾ]
Okay, I'll provide a sample of it, with (C)V(C) syllable structure:
<kēcỻuỻiram walkūǥi ēje ꝛa wōhe> [kɛi̯cluliðəm vəlkyʁɪ ɛi̯d͡ze lə voɦe]
New grapheme list, with a sample:
<kataksu asitikara ksunana arara utuna ka atarasu>
t ks k s n r a i u
Re: Reverse Romanization Challenge Thread
OK
Alphabet as in IPA
/kataksu asitikara ksunana arara utuna ka atarasu/
Next: alien language: a b c ç ꝛ/r rotunda d e ê f g h i ï î â ä æ ë j k l ł m n ñ o ô ö õ œ ø p q r s ś t u ü û v w x y ÿ z ż ⱡ ɫ ƚ/l with bar ŋ ɂ ǥ ư ơ ƣ ǀ ǁ ǂ ǃ ʘ ƶ ⱨ ⱪ ⱬ ⱶ. Swampsparrownese
Alphabet as in IPA
/kataksu asitikara ksunana arara utuna ka atarasu/
Next: alien language: a b c ç ꝛ/r rotunda d e ê f g h i ï î â ä æ ë j k l ł m n ñ o ô ö õ œ ø p q r s ś t u ü û v w x y ÿ z ż ⱡ ɫ ƚ/l with bar ŋ ɂ ǥ ư ơ ƣ ǀ ǁ ǂ ǃ ʘ ƶ ⱨ ⱪ ⱬ ⱶ. Swampsparrownese
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Re: Reverse Romanization Challenge Thread
I think Birdlang is trolling us.
Re: Reverse Romanization Challenge Thread
If you think so then here is another romanization, an old one
a aa b bh c ch d dh dr drh e ai f g gh gg h khh i ii j jh k kh l ł lr łr o oo p ph q r s sh sr t tr th trh u uu v w x y z zh ü üü ö öö Vñ
a aa b bh c ch d dh dr drh e ai f g gh gg h khh i ii j jh k kh l ł lr łr o oo p ph q r s sh sr t tr th trh u uu v w x y z zh ü üü ö öö Vñ
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Re: Reverse Romanization Challenge Thread
I am not trolling you. I just like to make large phoneme inventories with weird letters.Buran wrote:I think Birdlang is trolling us.
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