Qwynegold wrote:finlay wrote:なーにゆってんだ？なんでAltGrを話している？このキーの用途は全然知らないよさ。
who said anything about altgr? I don't even know what that key is for anyway.
だから［］はＡｌｔＧｒと８、そしてＡｌｔＧｒと９で書く。
Dakara [] wa AltGr to 8, soshite AltGr to 9 de kaku.
Because, you type [] with AltGr + 8 and 9.
finlay wrote:それで、この点々のキーは何だろう？スウェーデンのキーボードを使うんだね。だからこの話はめっちゃまごまごしてるんだね。
And what on earth is that key? Is this gonna be forever confused by the fact that you're using a swedish keyboard?
はい。：３
Hai. :3
Yes. :3
finlay wrote:Edit:
じゃー、話を続ける前に、君のキーボードは本物に比べなきゃさ。
you'd better compare
your keyboard to
a real one before we continue this conversation...
「；’｛：” ￥｜
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あっ、こうだ。Ååはアメリカの{[として同じで、Ääは"'と同じで、Ööは:;と同じだ。でも><|のキーは何として同じかなあ？
Ah, kō da. Åå wa Amerika no {[ to shite onaji de, Ää wa "' to onaji de, Öö wa :; to onaji da. Demo ><| no kii wa nan to shite onaji ka naa?
Ah, now I got it. Åå corresponds to American {[, Ää corresponds to "', and Öö corresponds to :;. But what could the ><| key correspond to?
ポーストイットメモを使って新しいタブを作るなあ。
Pōsutoitto-memo wo tsukatte atarashii tabu wo tsukuru naa.
I'm gonna make new labels using post it notes.
本当にイギリスのキーボードあるから、たぶんそれはバックスラッシュだけど、日本では￥となるから大変だ。アメリカではそのキーはないから、他のキーと同じくなる。
I actually have a British keyboard, so that's perhaps the backslash key, but in Japan (my computer must be set to a Japanese encoding somehow), it comes up as a yen sign, which is confusing. In America that key doesn't exist, so it becomes the same as another key.
More specifically, I use the US-based Dvorak keyboard in day-to-day life, and if not, I usually have a Mac keyboard, whose British variant only differs from the American by the hash sign over 3 becoming a pound sign, the return key becoming tall instead of wide, and the existence of the key next to shift like you describe - in that case, it's the ` and ~ key, and the key that's usually `~ on the American keyboard becomes a section and plus/minus sign. Your Swedish keyboard has the two shape differences the same as the British one. A British Windows keyboard, though, is a bit more different from the American keyboard. @ and " swap places, and the \| key becomes a key for # and ~, while the new key next to shift is the new \| key. Apart from that, most of the punctuation is in the same place, though. But because I grew up using a Mac, I basically end up getting frustrated with the Windows British layout and would rather use an American layout - or, indeed, the Dvorak layout that I actually use. And whenever I go to a new country and try and use their default layout, I get confused, because it's always the punctuation that moves around randomly. I can't use real Japanese keyboards (I've never had to - although if I get a new Mac here I probably will end up having to use it). They have extra keys next to the space bar to switch between romaji and Japanese quickly, and their punctuation also moves all over the place.
British keyboard:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... om.svg.png
Japanese keyboard:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... se.svg.png (more of the keys on the right like the backspace are smaller, this time, you may notice)
Dvorak keyboard:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... ak.svg.png (the punctuation signs have all moved around but they correspond to the American equivalents)
Thank you very much. I know my French is far from perfect, but that's why I'm in this thread. Perhaps it comes of trying to learn too many things at once.
