The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
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Lately, I keep hearing "irony" being pronounced by USians as /ˈaɪɚni/, as if it's somehow derived from "iron". Is this stigmatised at all or regarded as normal?
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Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
I don't think I've heard that yet, but it would definitely make me cringe.Imralu wrote:Lately, I keep hearing "irony" being pronounced by USians as /ˈaɪɚni/, as if it's somehow derived from "iron". Is this stigmatised at all or regarded as normal?
Anyone have a tendency to--in very informal settings--to slur "I don't know" into something like [a.ə̃̀ː.ʔʌ̃ʔ]? If ennui particularly sets in, the initial [a] can be dropped.
"But if of ships I now should sing, what ship would come to me,
What ship would bear me ever back across so wide a Sea?”
What ship would bear me ever back across so wide a Sea?”
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Yep. It's probably closer to [ɜ̃.n̩.nə̃ɘ̯̃].Zaarin wrote:Anyone have a tendency to--in very informal settings--to slur "I don't know" into something like [a.ə̃̀ː.ʔʌ̃ʔ]? If ennui particularly sets in, the initial [a] can be dropped.
It was about time I changed this.
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I typically say "I dunno" as something like [ˈʌ(ɪ̯).ɾʌ.nʌ].
If I elide it further, I get [ˈʌ(ɪ̯).ʌ̃.ʌ].
If I elide it further, I get [ˈʌ(ɪ̯).ʌ̃.ʌ].
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When speaking very informally, I pronounce I don't know as something like [ˌaːˈnɤ(ː)].
Dibotahamdn duthma jallni agaynni ra hgitn lakrhmi.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.
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Something like [ˈæntɪˌkwɛɹ̠ˁi] for me. The /t/ isn't aspirated, and my /r/ is the American "bunched r." Took me a minute to figure out where the stress is.
"But if of ships I now should sing, what ship would come to me,
What ship would bear me ever back across so wide a Sea?”
What ship would bear me ever back across so wide a Sea?”
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I just realised that, though I normally glottalise/delete posttonic /t/ following a homoorganic nasal in allegro speech, I don't here (presumably because antiquary is a learned word that I hardly ever have need of).
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Same here; I preserve /nt/ as [nt] or realize it as [t], eliding the /n/, in antiquary rather than pronouncing it as [ɾ̃] or eliding it outright as I normally would in this posiiton.linguoboy wrote:I just realised that, though I normally glottalise/delete posttonic /t/ following a homoorganic nasal in allegro speech, I don't here (presumably because antiquary is a learned word that I hardly ever have need of).
Dibotahamdn duthma jallni agaynni ra hgitn lakrhmi.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.
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['æːn.tʰɪ̈.̩kʰwɛ.ɹ̠ʷˠɪi̯]
And because I wasn't sure where the stress went, here's the other example:
[æn.'tʰɪk.wə.ʋɹ̠ʷˠɪɨ̯]
Interesting how the last syllable changes.
And because I wasn't sure where the stress went, here's the other example:
[æn.'tʰɪk.wə.ʋɹ̠ʷˠɪɨ̯]
Interesting how the last syllable changes.
That's what I wasn't sure of. Since I don't remember ever hearing it, I didn't know whether to stress the first or second syllable.Zaarin wrote:Something like [ˈæntɪˌkwɛɹ̠ˁi] for me. The /t/ isn't aspirated, and my /r/ is the American "bunched r." Took me a minute to figure out where the stress is.
After /n/ I usually glottalis /t/s, except when it comes before a vowel, then it appears.linguoboy wrote:I just realised that, though I normally glottalise/delete posttonic /t/ following a homoorganic nasal in allegro speech, I don't here (presumably because antiquary is a learned word that I hardly ever have need of).
It was about time I changed this.
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artifacts: /ˈʌrtəfækts/ [ˈʌʁ(ɾ)ɘfɛʔksʲ]
arty facts: /ˌʌrtiˈfækts/ [ˌʌʁ(ɾ)iˈfɛʔksʲ]
arty facts: /ˌʌrtiˈfækts/ [ˌʌʁ(ɾ)iˈfɛʔksʲ]
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Dibotahamdn duthma jallni agaynni ra hgitn lakrhmi.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.
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Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
I don't think that's derivation from "iron"; I think it's just that /rə/ and /ər/ aren't distinguished very well (if at all) in that position.Imralu wrote:Lately, I keep hearing "irony" being pronounced by USians as /ˈaɪɚni/, as if it's somehow derived from "iron". Is this stigmatised at all or regarded as normal?
A nasalized schwa with a particular pitch pattern.Zaarin wrote:Anyone have a tendency to--in very informal settings--to slur "I don't know" into something like [a.ə̃̀ː.ʔʌ̃ʔ]? If ennui particularly sets in, the initial [a] can be dropped.
/artɨfækts/ [ˈɔɚ̯ɽɨˌfæk(t)s]ol bofosh wrote:artifacts
arty facts
/artɨ fækts/ [ˈɔɚ̯ɽij ˈfæk(t)s]
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nää džunnfin kukuch vklaivei sivei tåd.
Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei.
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oyster: /ˈɔɪstər/ [ˈɔɪsʲtʲʁ̩(ː)]~[ˈɔɪsʲːʁ̩(ː)]
Dibotahamdn duthma jallni agaynni ra hgitn lakrhmi.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.
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[ɔɪ̯stɹ̩]
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[ɔːstɹ̩]
[s] might be a velarized
[s] might be a velarized
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catalpa
(For those who don't know, it's the name of a native North American tree, which we called "cigar trees" growing up.)
(For those who don't know, it's the name of a native North American tree, which we called "cigar trees" growing up.)
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[kɐˈtɑɫpa] - in Dutch, that is :)
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I don't have that as a native word in my dialect, but I would probably pronounce it as:
catalpa: /kəˈtɔlpə/ [kʰɘˈtʰɒo̯pə(ː)]
catalpa: /kəˈtɔlpə/ [kʰɘˈtʰɒo̯pə(ː)]
Dibotahamdn duthma jallni agaynni ra hgitn lakrhmi.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.
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ˈɔɪ̯.stɜ
kʰə.ˈtʰæɫ.pʰɜ (would be my guess)
kʰə.ˈtʰæɫ.pʰɜ (would be my guess)
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/kʰə.tæl.pə/
[bɹ̠ˤʷɪs.təɫ]
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Yo te pongo en tu lugar...
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Me neither. The OED lists only /kəˈtælpə/, and that seems to align in terms of vowel quality with words like alpine, scalpel, palpitate.Travis B. wrote:I don't have that as a native word in my dialect
So I'd go with /kəˈtælpɐ/ [kʰəˈtʰa̟ɫpʰɐ]
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I have always heard it stressed on the 2nd syllable.linguoboy wrote:catalpa
(For those who don't know, it's the name of a native North American tree, which we called "cigar trees" growing up.)
/kəˈtælpə/
[ˈktʰæɰpə]
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FWIW, the l is intrusive. (The etymon is catawba.) It's lacking in my dialect, i.e. /kəˈtɔpə/.