Help your conlang fluency (2)

[finlay]

seriously stop telling oldbies what not to do

[Salmoneus]

/sodVn mi agon pluI tSQIz\e: w3gne: sQ: le:w@\fra:ka h3 xAUva h3T p3re: d@\s3T nofEke: de roprEIz\e: fOk tSan

Could you please use IPA? X-SAMPA may be easier to type, but IPA is far easier to read. I for one have to look up most of the characters you use there. Here’s a conversion tool to make it easier for you.

...Could we please all just go out of our way feeding our posts through conversion programmes so that you don't have to learn xsampa? The conlanging community, and this board, have been using xsampa for more than a decade. If you really can't cope with it, I believe there are now online translator tools to help you. For instance, here's a conversion tool to make it easier for you - you can just copy-paste my sampa into that and it'll give you IPA.

General hint: newbies demanding that moderators do extra work that the newbie could do themselves but can't be bothered to... that's sort of a misunderstanding of the way that group dynamics generally work on the internet.

And be grateful that you're too fresh to remember the days when everything was a melange of X-SAMPA, Americanist Notation, Kirschenbaum and CXS (alas, my own XXX-SAMOA never caught on...).

MORE IMPORTANTLY: using sampa isn't just easier, it's also politer. Some users may not be able to display all IPA correctly, and some visually impaired users may rely on text-to-speech programmes that struggle with unicode.

[schyrsivochter]

Okay, I see your point. I’m sorry. Thank you. (I’m not going to switch to X-SAMPA, though.)

[finlay]

that's fair - it is uglier

[Salmoneus]

Admittedly, this does go against my other principle of "people posting about their conlangs shouldn't make their readers do extra work when they could do it themselves". And for that reason, I'm trying to get into the habit of using IPA when doing bigger sort-of 'presentation'-y things. But this is just trying a language out in a one-liner, so I'm not too worried about whether people fully understand the accent or not in this case.

[Boşkoventi]

Nehak uistoddu króu hau gus?
[néhak wistóddu króu̯ hau̯ ɡús]
Where's ur conlangs?





*Proper/formal:

Nehak uistoddu koróadu hadu gus?
[néhak wistóddu k(o)róː(.a).u há.u ɡús]

[schyrsivochter]

Nehak uistoddu króu hau gus?
[néhak wistóddu króu̯ hau̯ ɡús]
Where's ur conlangs?

Bwǫ męzumǫnd.
[b͡vɒ mɛa̯.ˈzɔʊ̯.mɒnt]

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Somewhere else. (lit. in a different place)

[Salmoneus]

Nehak uistoddu króu hau gus?
[néhak wistóddu króu̯ hau̯ ɡús]
Where's ur conlangs?





*Proper/formal:

Nehak uistoddu koróadu hadu gus?
[néhak wistóddu k(o)róː(.a).u há.u ɡús]

::|| mɛ >kaalaaz< dɜi eemɛ mɔ̨i | mɛ mɔ̨i eth leepee ::: cashlɛ̨itsįjhee dɛ̨m ||::
My conlangs are in my mind; my mind is slow at translating into them

[Boşkoventi]

::|| mɛ >kaalaaz< dɜi eemɛ mɔ̨i | mɛ mɔ̨i eth leepee ::: cashlɛ̨itsįjhee dɛ̨m ||::
My conlangs are in my mind; my mind is slow at translating into them

Vadda uk si ihingi (uda).
[vádːa uk si iʃíŋːi (ú.a)]
that-C5 NEG COP excuse-NMLZ (MOD.NEG-C5)
That is not (no*) excuse.

* Double (i.e. repeated) negation is due to influence from Victot li Rhák, and therefore fairly high-class.

"::||", pai san, dandu goud umi hoháso muse?
[... pái̯ san | z̪ánːu ɡó.uː úmi hoháːso múse]
..., and like, symbol-PL def.C3-PL AUX3-PL mean what-INT
What do the symbols "::||", etc. mean?

[schyrsivochter]

[... pái̯ san | z̪ánːu ɡó.uː úmi hoháːso múse]

This is maybe a stupid question, but what do the acutes mean?

[Boşkoventi]

[... pái̯ san | z̪ánːu ɡó.uː úmi hoháːso múse]

This is maybe a stupid question, but what do the acutes mean?

High tone. Vaida Mi ha has pitch accent rather than stress accent.

[Carolina Conlanger]

Is shanos escen Suomias nal tasim feneshev un Inglishith sesinon ekh. Nal lashan?

I have heard it being told that Finnish is a very hard language for English speakers to learn. Is it true?

[CatDoom]

Is shanos escen Suomias nal tasim feneshev un Inglishith sesinon ekh. Nal lashan?

I have heard it being told that Finnish is a very hard language for English speakers to learn. Is it true?

Xe nyadrajéd rrágh gu sáí baizí gè nyalyéd c'ĕ sób hngàì c’ĕdĕră.
[ɕe ɲaɖadʑet̪̚˩˥ raq̚˩˥ ku s̪ɛː˩˥ bɛd̪z̪iː˩˥ keː˥˩ ɲaʎet̪̚˩˥ t̪s̪'e˩˥ s̪op̚ ŋ̊ɛː˥˩ t̪s̪'əd̪əɻa˩˥]
NEG 1S=POT-judge CNSTR/truth that word because CNSTR/job 1S-learn any tongue ATTR/be.another be.difficult

I can't say if that's true, because it's difficult for me to learn any other language.

Q’e nyat’úg yŭ xe jibă dŭ Íŋĕlrĕxe Srúwomi.
[tɕ'e ɲat̪'uk̚˩˥ ju˩˥ ɕe tɕiba˩˥ t̪u˩˥ iː˩˥ŋəɭəʑe ʂuː˩˥womi]
but 1S=know CNSTR/fact NEG 3S.AN=be.similar really English Finnish

However, I do know that Finnish isn't very similar to English.

[jal]

I have heard it being told that Finnish is a very hard language for English speakers to learn. Is it true?

Mi tingk moda toka fi Inggles fayn olda oda langwic mek ahcip fi lehn. Mi swel tingk Finlan langwic u isi pas dem oda langwic sem Rosian o Caynis.
I think mother speakers of English find all other languages (are) difficult to learn. I also think Finnish is easier than some other languages like Russian or Chinese.

Well, I was going to try working on some Leewefraaka here, but it seems this is actually the roleplaying sex channel

Wo yu min "sesop canal"? Mi soso ansa as fi k1234567890y, yu af wik eya? What's up with olda baksay man de dis pah?
What do you mean "sex channel"? I just answered a question of k*y, are you over-sensitive? What's up with all these backward people in this place?


JAL

[Thry]

What do you mean "sex channel"? I just answered a question of k*y, are you over-sensitive? What's up with all these backward people in this place?

Το είναι, κωσσιδεράντες να δεν σιτάντος είμαι εγώ εκκί.
Yes they are, considering I'm not even here.

seriously stop telling oldbies what not to do

Φίνλεϊ τυμυλτώσος χΔΔ.
Grumpy Finlay xDD.

[masako]

pue sayompa itsani ena hunamya
after month-many PROX-story P.1SG confuse-CAUS
After many months, this thread confuses me.

[Qxentio]

I have heard it being told that Finnish is a very hard language for English speakers to learn. Is it true?

Mi tingk moda toka fi Inggles fayn olda oda langwic mek ahcip fi lehn. Mi swel tingk Finlan langwic u isi pas dem oda langwic sem Rosian o Caynis.
I think mother speakers of English find all other languages (are) difficult to learn. I also think Finnish is easier than some other languages like Russian or Chinese.

Bjodjaó Suomveja lódush bid qxágaimy. Sú lólódó tedyk léaweg núj, qwai qxávejó dánhy. Suomveja bid shijy ag azhígy Latinavejawaln.

I agree that it is not hard to learn Finnish. I've been learning it for a year now, even though I don't speak it well. Finnish is clear and beatiful, akin to Latin.

[masako]

Finnish is clear and beautiful, akin to Latin.

nanku nkatampak
1PL.RECP agree-much-NEG
You and I very much disagree.

somenkeli kue tlatina nka
Finnish as Latin EMP.NEG
Finnish and Latin are not alike!

[Qxentio]

masako, bid aln vejadh. Latinaveja ag Suomveja bizh qxárhídhy, qwai vejó sú, bizh alnawí. Shizh xálík thrhálouloumík ag rhíkizh géjbvámade mel vejadh. Dhily bid ted sújew Doitshew wádhurede.
masako, it is as you say. Latin and Finnish are not related, yet I say they are similar. They have many vowels and flow off your lips when you speak. This is true from my German point of view.

[masako]

This is true from my German point of view.

omyo tayo hya'o
opinion 2sg.POSS be.weird
Your opinion is weird.

[Thry]

Ναι μαις. Μίρα το Κουένια. Ισπιράρο να το Φιννής, σόνα ταλ το Λατίνο. Οι σιμιλαριτύδες είναι ελλί.
Not at all - look at Quenya. Inspired by Finnish, sounds like Latin. The similarities are there.

[schyrsivochter]

This is true from my German point of view.

omyo tayo hya'o
opinion 2sg.POSS be.weird
Your opinion is weird.

Nam cịn nancedıblaf lıippǫ ihö. (No. 4a)
[nəm ɕɪn ˈnən.ɕe.di.bləf ˈljɛɪ̯.ɸɒ ˈɛɪ̯.o]
Nam cịn nance-dı-bl-af lıippǫ-∅ ihö.
as.for 1.S.LOC weird-be-NEG-4.S opinion-IND.S.NOM 3.S.GEN
I don’t think that his opinion is weird.

Edit: The word lıippǫ above should be lıiphǫ.

[masako]

Ναι μαις. Μίρα το Κουένια. Ισπιράρο να το Φιννής, σόνα ταλ το Λατίνο. Οι σιμιλαριτύδες είναι ελλί.
Not at all - look at Quenya. Inspired by Finnish, sounds like Latin. The similarities are there.

somenkeli yema tlatina ke kuenya ikyoye
Both Finnish and Latin inspired Quenya...

[Travis B.]

Linəʔiknači səhānətəxəmxanūk vičtəyyåvu lå hāpart lətinīnnə ʔut səmīnnə.
[linəˈʔiknædʒi səɦæːnədɐʁɐmχɑˈnuːk ʋitʃtəjˈjɒʋu lɒ ˈhæːbært lədiˈniːnːə ʔut səˈmiːnːə]
I can see the similarities between Latin and Finnish.

[masako]

yoto ua ato ula kala ta'o nisapa ma ke itlon tloya
Any two languages can be compared and found similar in one way or another.