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Hokkanae

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[ɸok:anɛ]
After joining up some phonological and ortographic settings I've be thinking when I'm distracted, I came up with the draft of a decent inventory. Because it may have some contradictions and since I'll be thinking on new characteristics all the time, this topic is likely to be constantly updated.

INVENTORY'S BASE (from a previous, ancient language)
  • /p b m f v t d θ ð s z n ɾ r k g x ɣ ŋ w h/
    /i i: u e e: o o: a a: ɑ/
    /ai au/
SYLLABIC STRUCTURE
  • (C)(A)V(C)(C)
ALLOPHONY
  • /ɾ/ > [ɾ] in all occasions, except at the coda, where it becomes [l]
    /ɾN, Nɾ, Nr, rN/ > /NN/
    /rr, rɾ/ > [r]
    /lɾ, lr, lN/ > [ll]
    NOTE: those will be referred as to "liquid mutation"; /N/ represents any nasal consonant
CURRENT INVENTORY
  • /pʰ p m fʰ f f: tʰ t t: tɕʰ tɕ sʰ s s: ɕʰ ɕ n ɾ r kʰ k k: w ŋ h/ <p b m f v ff t d tt cz gz s z ss sz zz r rr k g kk v ng h>
    /i u ɯ e ø o ɛ ɔ a ɑ/ <i u eo e oe o ae ao a au>
    /ei ɛi ou ɔu ai au/ <eï aï oü oü aë aö/
UNDERGONE PROCESSES: CONSONANTS (in order of occurence)
  • 1. Palato Alto
    /sʲ/ > /ɕ/
    /zʲ/ > /ʑ/
    /lʲ/ > /ʎ/
    /kʲ/ > /tɕ/
    /gʲ/ > /dʑ/
    NOTE: not universal, hence the co-existence of /sʲ/ and /ɕ/.

    2. Turn up the velume
    /fw/ > [xw]
    /vw/ > [ɣw]
    /sʷ/ > /x/
    /zʷ/ > /ɣ/
    /ʷl/ > /ɫ/
    NOTE: not universal, hence the co-existence of /sʷ/ and /x/.

    3. Make us stronger
    /θ/ > /t:/
    /ð/ > /z:/
    /x/ > /k:/
    /ɣ/ > /v:/
    NOTE: the new "phonemes" are easier to type.

    4. Big Bang
    /p/ > /pʰ/
    /b/ > /p/
    /f/ > /fʰ/
    /v/ > /f/
    /v:/ > /f:/
    /t/ > /tʰ/
    /d/ > /t/
    /s/ > /sʰ/
    /z/ > /s/
    /z:/ > /s:/
    /ɕ/ > /ɕʰ/
    /tɕ/ > /tɕʰ/
    /ʑ/ > /ɕ/
    /dʑ/ > /tɕ/
    /k/ > /kʰ/
    /g/ > /k/

    5.1. Liquid Love
    /ʎ/ > /j/
    /ɫ/ > /w/

    6. Mummification
    Because of the reduction on syllabic structure, consonantal clusters at the coda will now be pronounced as such: the first consonant is pronounced all the time and the second one only if liaison takes place
UNDERGONE PROCESSES: VOWELS (in order of occurence)
  • 1.1. Avant-garde
    /e:/ > /i:/
    /e/ > /i/
    /o:/ > /ø:/
    /o/ > /ø/
    /a/ > /ɛ/
    /a:/ > /ɛ:/

    1.2. Back up rich boy
    /e:/ > /ɯ:/
    /e/ > /ɯ/
    /o:/ > /u:/
    /o/ > /u/
    /a/ > /ɔ/
    /a:/ > /ɔ:/

    2. Let's break up
    /i:/ > /ɛi/
    /ɯ:/ > /ai/
    /u:/ > /ɔu/
    /e:/ > /ei/
    /o:/ > /ou/
    /ɛ:/ > /ɛi/
    /ɔ:/ > /ɔu/
    /a:/ > /au/

    3. Going Swiss
    /ei/ > [əi]
    /ou/ > [ɵu]
SYLLABIC STRUCTURE
  • (C)(A)V(C)
ALLOPHONY (some were included in the processes)
  • liquid mutation still happens; [l] is written <l>.
    at the coda, aspirates and long consonants are released as unaspirates; /h/ and /w/ released as /t~x/ and /p/, respectively
    unaspirates become voiced between vowels and after voiced consonants, except for /f, s, h/
    non-nasal stop + /h/ generates an aspirate stop
    a non-nasal stop cluster has the first of its stops turned into a fricative
    a cluster of identical vowels is released as a long vowel
    /tɕwV/ and /tɕjV/ and their aspirate counterparts have their glide deleted
NUMBERS
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0 vaînagaosz
1 mi
2 jeomi
3 himi
4 czimi
5 szei
6 szeimi
7 szeijeo
8 szeihi
9 szeiczi
10 hu
12 hujeo
20 jeohu
100 paom
200 jeopaom
500 szeipeom
1000 hupeom
10^ ommoû (ommoûszei = 10^6)
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Just a quick comment. Your sound change categories are hilarious.
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Bristel wrote:Just a quick comment. Your sound change categories are hilarious.
Thank you :D Correlating the type of change with a fun category name was unexpectedly difficult, and I'm looking forward to enhancing some; still, I wonder if I should explain the correlations so that no joke is wasted.

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I'm trying to think of better ways to write the diphthongs and somehow include /ɔ/ (and maybe /ø/) to achieve symmetry among open-mid and close-mid vowels.

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/pʰ p tʰ t kʰ g m n r ɾ fʰ f sʰ s ɕʰ ɕ h tɕʰ tɕ w/ <p b t d k g m n r r̆ f v s z š ž h tš dž v>
/i y ɯ u ũ e o õ ə̃ ɛ œ ɑ/ <i y ɨ u ũ e o õ ẽ a ö ⱥ>
/ɛi ɔi ie ue ia iɔ ai əi au/ <ai oi ie ue ià io ài ei au>
OR
/i y ɯ u ũ e o õ ə̃ ɛ œ ɔ ɑ/ <i y ɨ u ũ e o õ ẽ a ò ö ⱥ>
/ɛi ɔi ie ue ia iɔ ai əi au/ <ai òi ie ue ià iò ài ei au>
OR
/i y ɯ u ũ e ø o õ ə̃ ɛ ɔ œ ɑ/ <i y ɨ u ũ e o ö õ ẽ a ò ȍ ⱥ>
/ɛi ɔi ie ue ia iɔ ai əi au/ <ai òi ie ue ià iò ài ei au>
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I know you like putting slashes on just about any vowel letter possible, but I have to disagree with their aesthetics myself, <ø> aside.
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I am personally against digraphs for single phonemes, so I use lots of diacritics.
ìtsanso, God In The Mountain, may our names inspire the deepest feelings of fear in urkos and all his ilk, for we have saved another man from his lies! I welcome back to the feast hall kal, who will never gamble again! May the eleven gods bless him!
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mèþru wrote:/pʰ p tʰ t kʰ g m n r ɾ fʰ f sʰ s ɕʰ ɕ h tɕʰ tɕ w/ <p b t d k g m n r r̆ f v s z š ž h tš dž v>
/i y ɯ u ũ e o õ ə̃ ɛ œ ɑ/ <i y ɨ u ũ e o õ ẽ a ö ⱥ>
/ɛi ɔi ie ue ia iɔ ai əi au/ <ai oi ie ue ià io ài ei au>
OR
/i y ɯ u ũ e o õ ə̃ ɛ œ ɔ ɑ/ <i y ɨ u ũ e o õ ẽ a ò ö ⱥ>
/ɛi ɔi ie ue ia iɔ ai əi au/ <ai òi ie ue ià iò ài ei au>
OR
/i y ɯ u ũ e ø o õ ə̃ ɛ ɔ œ ɑ/ <i y ɨ u ũ e o ö õ ẽ a ò ȍ ⱥ>
/ɛi ɔi ie ue ia iɔ ai əi au/ <ai òi ie ue ià iò ài ei au>
I really liked some of those suggestions so I'm incorporating them (or at least getting inspired by). But I wanted to keep the accents the way they are now; I'll put the reason on a note below the phonemes. Also, that way of organizing is so simple and obvious I can't believe I hadn't done it before. Thank you!

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Thanks. It actually took me several months to come up with a similar orthography for my conlang brazi.
ìtsanso, God In The Mountain, may our names inspire the deepest feelings of fear in urkos and all his ilk, for we have saved another man from his lies! I welcome back to the feast hall kal, who will never gamble again! May the eleven gods bless him!
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dubious phonemization of palatal and velar consonants

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smooth pronunciation of glides is reported for hokkanae, where glides are phonetically elided and condition the preceding consonant's poa. the smooth (sinmupoel) and the strong (kkanmupoel) speeches are in free variation.

bvogin /bwogin/ common sense > bvoegzin /pʷødʑin ~ pwødʑin/
bogin /bogin/ side dish > boegzin /pødʑin/

gaî /kɛi/ vs. gjaî /kʲɛi ~ kjɛi/

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Can't believe I've posted that in 2014. Feels much earlier. Anyway, I was thinking about a Puczi Hokkanae (East-side Hokkanae) dialect:

i. Turn up the velume did not occur.
ii. Make us stronger also included /f/, developing /p:/.
iii. Big Bang was limited to developping /ɸ/ from aspiration of /p/, and merging /v, v:/ with /b, p:/.
iv. An exclusive phenomenon, Super Smash Bros, developed /z/ > /ʑ/.
v. Avant-garde did not include /o, o:/.
vi. Back-up rich boy did not include /e, e:/.
v. Going Swiss only developed /ɑ/ > /ɔ/.

Thus, the Puczi inventory is:
/p p: b m ɸ t tt d tɕ dʑ s ɕ ʑ n ɾ r k g w ŋ h/ <p pp b m f t tt d cz gz s sz zg r rr k g v ng h>
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ <i u e o ae ao a au>
/ei ɛi ou ɔu ai au/ <eï aï oü oü aë aö/

I was also thinking about creating an alphabet for Old Hokkanae, so that ancient pronounciation may still be encountered in orthography and the current one has a solid base for its writing system (the diagraphs wouldn't come from nowhere, for example).

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Travis B. wrote:I know you like putting slashes on just about any vowel letter possible, but I have to disagree with their aesthetics myself, <ø> aside.
I can see this being improved with a typeface better designed for this sort of thing.

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