tube bo, kije bo & ALL GRAMMAR OF DAMA DIWAN

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jal wrote:I applaud you for trying to make sense out of this, I gave up long ago :).


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I'm sorry to resurrect a painful and dead thread, but:
Dama Diwan wrote:This is what I mean, exercise yourself to get feelings from words. Then, after you see the meanings, you will be able to remember them easily. There is another relevant term: Emotional Intelligence, I understand not everybody has it in the same degree and form.
I think you have misunderstood EI: Google defines it as 'the capacity to be aware of, control, and express one's emotions, and to handle interpersonal relationships judiciously and empathetically', Wikipedia as ' the capacity of individuals to recognize their own, and other people's emotions, to discriminate between different feelings and label them appropriately, to use emotional information to guide thinking and behaviour, and to manage and/or adjust emotions to adapt environments or achieve one's goal(s)', and Psychology Today as 'the ability to identify and manage your own emotions and the emotions of other'. Nothing about diving meaning from sounds: that, if not just based on prior experiences, is synaesthesia. Examples from your words:

WIWO: to me this would refer to a small, dim and confused person (remind you of anyone?), as that is how I see babies, and it reminds me of baby talk.
SANO: to me this would mean truth, as it reminds or Swedish words meaning similar things.
I would love to hear what your divination skill tell you that these mean.
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smii wrote:
WIWO: to me this would refer to a small, dim and confused person (remind you of anyone?), as that is how I see babies, and it reminds me of baby talk.
SANO: to me this would mean truth, as it reminds or Swedish words meaning similar things.
I would love to hear what your divination skill tell you that these mean.
As you say, people are influenced by the languages they already know. And in fact, all word sounds interact to all other word sounds in a given system. So, in a different sound inventory system, the same words would have different meanings and even different feelings. It should be also noted that Dama phonemes, especially W, have many allophones, and the words are made to suit all possible forms.

Anyway, I find that the Dama words have similarities in meaning to existing language words. Weewee is a very common onomatopoeia for urinating, in baby language. WIWO means liquid (usually water) in Dama Diwan. In your feelings, liquid is personified. Liquid is everywhere we do not see it. It is the baby form of life. You know what, of all the 5 Chinese elements, water appears first: the appearance sequence is: water, fire, wood, metal, earth (from the least to the most "substantiated").

SANO means "small" in Dama. It seems very different to the concept "truth", but then it reminds me of Slavic sjano (hay). And yet, SANO, small, is a true thing: small, but still extant and perhaps important. Just like Dama language is small (few phonemes, 258 roots) but true.

I like your sense of sound forms, because I know how you feel those. So, here are the Chinese 5 elements in Dama: WIWO RABO MIMO TIWO BARO. You know WIWO. Guess the other ones (I did not give them in the "substantiation" series as above). And you may ask me another set of words.

I don't know how many months I was absent from this forum (and I didn't see other comments).
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you're still stirring this pot?

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masako wrote:you're still stirring this pot?
Apparently. A *crack*pot. Tadadum....


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I delete this too, because it was mistakenly posted before I finished my edit, which is below.
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Dama Diwan wrote:After I study and use that international glossing system, Dama Diwan will be well understood by everyone and so everybody will like it and learn it.
Your lofty aspirations seem to fly in the face of expressed opinion in this very thread. Also, you seem ignorant to the tendency of this board at large to appreciate studious efforts rather than nonsensical and sophomoric piddle.

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thanks, friend, as you see I have never studied linguistics or languages. After I study and use that international glossing system, Dama Diwan will be well understood by everyone and so everybody will like it and learn it.
Well, frankly I think it would be more useful to show a syntactic tree, at least by using multiple brackets, or help by using hyphens and lots of punctuation marks, especially commas, to show how words are grouped together.
let's see,
(NUTON (TO BAME)).
fruit person eats
(TO, (NUTON BAME)).
person, fruit eats
((TO BAME) NUTO)
person eats fruit (literally, "fruit, that a person eats")
((O NABE) A)
I love you (literally: you, that I love)
(O (NAB-E-N A))
1A love-ACT-TRANS 2 (O=first person, A=second person).

now by the way, I know there is a tool that makes syntactic trees from a sentence with brackets, have you got a link to share?
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I think that glossing is better than trees if you only use on of them, as glossing allows you to see all of the morphological markings and the meanings of all of the prepositions, affixes and words.
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Yes, glosses, please! Then we might actually be able to make sense of your ramblings!
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Frislander wrote:Then we might actually be able to make sense of your ramblings!
I gave up all hope of that a long time ago. :P

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