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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:55 pm 
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Is there a specific reason articulation of combinations like [pɹ] as an affricate is judged to be impossible while /d͡ɹ̝/ is considered an affricate?


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 Post subject: Re: Affricates
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can have unit rhotacized peripheral plosives (Pumi iirc), they're just not affricates

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How does something like [tʙ] feature into this homorganicism?


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 Post subject: Re: Affricates
PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 1:33 pm 
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I was looking at the greyed-out cells in the sibilant affricate/fricative rows of Wikipedia's IPA chart, in which the color means "articulation has been judged impossible." Then, I realized that [pɹ], etc. would be non-sibilant because of the [ɹ]. On top of that, those positions are taken by [pɸ bβ], thereby voiding the question.


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 Post subject: Re: Affricates
PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:03 pm 
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Coarticulate = heterorganic cluster that behave as single phoneme
Affricate = coarticulate of homorganic plosive and fricative

So, an affricate is a subset of coarticulates. Coarticulates must be 1) homorganic, 2) stop+fricative, in order to be defined as affricates.

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