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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:15 pm 
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:08 pm 
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Generally, /ɹ̝̊ ɹ̠̊˔/ are only adjacent to /t s/. However, I pronounce [sɹ̝̊] as [ʃɹ̝̊] due to speaking English natively. As for the single voiceless nasal, Altrunians merged [nk ŋ~ŋ] (<nk ng>) before devoicing several consonants. Is /ŋ/ still valid after the devoicing? I figured they may devoice it because of the <k>, even though /m n/ survived the devoicing.

Sound progressions (noting that changed sounds are in red text)
Galactic Standard or prior
/→ɲ/
/→c/
/→ç/
/t͡ʃ→k/
/d͡ʒ→j/
Galactic Standard-to-Outsider
/→tɹ̝̊/
/c→t͡ʃ/
/→sɹ̝̊/
/ç→ʃ/
/j→ɟ/


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:29 am 
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Would /j→ɟ/ or /j→ʝ/ be more likely? I don't like the insertion of a /g/ phoneme where one never existed before (/ɟ/ sounds like <gy>).


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:28 am 
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:03 pm 
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Got it.

What are likely outcomes for /r̥ʲ rʲ/, if any exist?


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:13 pm 
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 6:07 am 
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Is /ɳ/ a likely outcome for /mʲ nʲ→ɲ/ in Outsider? The idea is that /ʝ/ is supposed to be Outsider's only palatal or palatalization.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 7:23 am 
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I can't think of an example of [ɲ] changing to [ɳ].


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:38 am 
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Are /ʈʂ ʂ/ more likely outcomes for /c ç/ than /t͡ʃ ʃ/?


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 7:51 pm 
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Before I post my combined recap, is /ʃ→ʂ/ or the reverse more likely?


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:18 pm 
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I'm not sure one is more likely than the other, but I think /ʃ→ʂ/ is especially likely after a rhotic.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:46 pm 
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As of now, Outsider has both /ʃ ʂ/. Essentially, I'm asking if the sounds are stable enough to coexist, and, if they aren't, which would survive the merger.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 10:18 pm 
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Some languages or at least language varieties have /ʂ/ and /ʃ/ without any problem, too. (Pashto and some varieties of Hindi come to mind).


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:02 pm 
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Thanks for the help, guys.

What are likely outcomes of /tʲ sʲ/? [pr̥ʲ tr̥ʲ kr̥ʲ sr̥ʲ]? I'm reasonably sure the sequences would end in /ʂ/ but want to make sure.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:48 pm 
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:04 am 
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Okay. Somehow, I forgot about /pʲ/. What are likely outcomes for it?


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:43 pm 
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:55 pm 
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Could it lenite to [fʲ] or something like that?


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:26 pm 
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Point.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:59 pm 
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How likely are the following changes: (a) /ɕ→ʂ/ (/ʃʲ→ɕ/ changing for the same reason /kʲ→c/ changes), (b/c) /pʲ→fʲ→θ/ (/pʲ→fʲ/ would be a merger), and (d1) /θʲ→r̪̊/ or (d2) /θʲ→r̪/


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:39 pm 
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I've never heard of any of those happening FWIW.


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