I don't spend a lot of time in mall food courts, so I haven't heard the term in years -- but yeah, "ess barro" is the pronunciation I'm used to hearing. I guess s + voiced plosive isn't a combination a lot of Americans are quite sure how to deal with...Fooge wrote:/ɛsˈbɑɹoː/ "ess barro"? That's interesting. I can't remember ever hearing anyone saying Sbarro like that and outside of context I might not even understand what they are referring to. I typically hear either /səbɑɹoː/ or /spɑɹoː/ or maybe even /zbɑɹoː/.Zaarin wrote:I've generally heard it /ɛsˈbɑɹoː/ from most Americans, but I suppose my pronunciation would be similar linguoboy's if I were called upon to pronounce it. (I'm a bit of a foodie, so it's not where I'd choose to get my pizza. :p )
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"But if of ships I now should sing, what ship would come to me,
What ship would bear me ever back across so wide a Sea?”
What ship would bear me ever back across so wide a Sea?”
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I have always pronounced it /ˈspɑroʊ/; there is no point for me in pronouncing it /ɛsˈbɑroʊ/ since /sp/ and /sb/ (and even /zb/!) are homophonous for me (as [sʲp]) including across syllable and morpheme boundaries.
Dibotahamdn duthma jallni agaynni ra hgitn lakrhmi.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.
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Same. In fact, I think the only pronunciation I’ve heard is /səbɑɹoː/.Fooge wrote:/ɛsˈbɑɹoː/ "ess barro"? That's interesting. I can't remember ever hearing anyone saying Sbarro like that and outside of context I might not even understand what they are referring to. I typically hear either /səbɑɹoː/ or /spɑɹoː/ or maybe even /zbɑɹoː/.Zaarin wrote:I've generally heard it /ɛsˈbɑɹoː/ from most Americans, but I suppose my pronunciation would be similar linguoboy's if I were called upon to pronounce it. (I'm a bit of a foodie, so it's not where I'd choose to get my pizza. :p )
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How do you pronounce "thank"? I pronounce it [θeɪŋk] but I've heard [ðeɪŋk] and I'm wondering how common this is.
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I vary between [θẽŋk], [t̪ẽŋk], [θẽʔk], [t̪ẽʔk], [θɛ̃ŋk], [t̪ɛ̃ŋk], [θɛ̃ʔk], and [t̪ɛ̃ʔk] for thank, corresponding to /θeɪŋk/ and /θæŋk/.
Dibotahamdn duthma jallni agaynni ra hgitn lakrhmi.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.
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I vary between [θɛɪ̯ŋk] in careful speech and [θɛŋk] in more casual speech, the latter being homophonous with a quick pronunciation of think as well ([θɪŋk] in more careful speech).
"But if of ships I now should sing, what ship would come to me,
What ship would bear me ever back across so wide a Sea?”
What ship would bear me ever back across so wide a Sea?”
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I just say [θɛjŋk].
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I say the voiced variant. It's been a source of controversy. Where are you from?
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I say [θẽːŋk]. Never heard about a [ð] variation.
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[θæŋk] ... but when I was very young [sæŋk] or [fæŋk]
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Atlantic and czar
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Atlantic [æʔˈɫæntɪk] (the first [æ] may be realized as [æ~ɛ~ɪ] in quick speech)
czar [ˈzɑɹ̱ˁ]
czar [ˈzɑɹ̱ˁ]
"But if of ships I now should sing, what ship would come to me,
What ship would bear me ever back across so wide a Sea?”
What ship would bear me ever back across so wide a Sea?”
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[æt'læntʰɪkʰ] the [t] may allophone with [ʔ], and the [tʰ] may just disappear completely (when it does the kʰ loses its aspiration).
[tsʰaːɹ]
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Atlantic: [ɘɾˈʟ̞ɛ̃(ɾ̃)ɘʔk]~[ɘɾˈɰɛ̃(ɾ̃)ɘʔk], in careful speech [ɛɾˈʟ̞ɛ̃ntʰɘʔk]
czar: [zɑ(ː)ʁ], in careful speech [tsʰɑ(ː)ʁ]
czar: [zɑ(ː)ʁ], in careful speech [tsʰɑ(ː)ʁ]
Dibotahamdn duthma jallni agaynni ra hgitn lakrhmi.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.
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what on earth is your dialect?Travis B. wrote:Atlantic: [ɘɾˈʟ̞ɛ̃(ɾ̃)ɘʔk]~[ɘɾˈɰɛ̃(ɾ̃)ɘʔk], in careful speech [ɛɾˈʟ̞ɛ̃ntʰɘʔk]
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I'm from Milwaukee, Wisconsin.bbbosborne wrote:what on earth is your dialect?Travis B. wrote:Atlantic: [ɘɾˈʟ̞ɛ̃(ɾ̃)ɘʔk]~[ɘɾˈɰɛ̃(ɾ̃)ɘʔk], in careful speech [ɛɾˈʟ̞ɛ̃ntʰɘʔk]
What you see there is not as weird as it looks: it is basically:
- The NCVS
- [ʟ̞] for /l/ in stressed onsets, otherwise l-vocalization, even in onsets
- Phonemic schwa-schwi merger, with [ə]~[ɘ] as allophones
- [ɾ] for /t/ in /VtˈlV/ sequences
- [ɾ̃] or 0 for /nt/ after stressed vowels and before unstressed vowels
- Vowel nasalization before phonemic nasal consonants
- (Pre)glottalization of fortis coda obstruents after vowels or nasals
Dibotahamdn duthma jallni agaynni ra hgitn lakrhmi.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.
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My /t/ is never aspirated there. If it surfaces at all, it's as [ʔ] accompanied by nasalisation of the preceding vowel.bbbosborne wrote:[æt'læntʰɪkʰ] the [t] may allophone with [ʔ], and the [tʰ] may just disappear completely (when it does the kʰ loses its aspiration).
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how about:
salty
suit
salty
suit
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salty: [ˈsɒo̯ti(ː)]
suit: [sʲʉ̯uʔ]
suit: [sʲʉ̯uʔ]
Dibotahamdn duthma jallni agaynni ra hgitn lakrhmi.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.
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Atlantic /ɨtlæntik/ [ɨʔt̚ˈɫẽə̯̃ɾ̃ɨʔk]
czar /zar/ [zɒɚ̯]
salty /sɔltɨj/ [ˈsɔˤɫtʰɪj]
suit /suwt/ [sʏʉ̯ʔt̚]
thank /θæŋk/ [θæ̃j̃ŋk]
nb: one of /eə̯ æj/ must be phonemic, since e.g. "Bernanke" has [eə̯] rather than [æj]. cf. /ˈpejŋˌgwin/ with FACE but /ˈgeŋgɨs/ with DRESS
czar /zar/ [zɒɚ̯]
salty /sɔltɨj/ [ˈsɔˤɫtʰɪj]
suit /suwt/ [sʏʉ̯ʔt̚]
thank /θæŋk/ [θæ̃j̃ŋk]
nb: one of /eə̯ æj/ must be phonemic, since e.g. "Bernanke" has [eə̯] rather than [æj]. cf. /ˈpejŋˌgwin/ with FACE but /ˈgeŋgɨs/ with DRESS
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salty [ˈsɑɫti~ˈsɑɫʔi]
suit [ˈsuʔ]
suit [ˈsuʔ]
"But if of ships I now should sing, what ship would come to me,
What ship would bear me ever back across so wide a Sea?”
What ship would bear me ever back across so wide a Sea?”
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when we finally got travis to post recordings to prove this, it sounded like he had a speech impediment. however, i have also since heard people with this weird lowered dark L aside from him. (i can't remember how to describe it properly, it's a dark L but without touching the tongue at the front of the mouth ('without coronal contact'). it sounds ridiculous to me but it's how some people speak in that part of the world apparently)bbbosborne wrote:what on earth is your dialect?Travis B. wrote:Atlantic: [ɘɾˈʟ̞ɛ̃(ɾ̃)ɘʔk]~[ɘɾˈɰɛ̃(ɾ̃)ɘʔk], in careful speech [ɛɾˈʟ̞ɛ̃ntʰɘʔk]
still think u use too many diacritics tho dude
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absence of coronal contact in the realization of /l/ is generally considered a speech impediment, but some people even have straight-up [ʁ] for it
Siöö jandeng raiglin zåbei tandiüłåd;
nää džunnfin kukuch vklaivei sivei tåd.
Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei.
nää džunnfin kukuch vklaivei sivei tåd.
Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei.
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To me though I can pronounce a clear [l] perfectly fine; e.g. when speaking German. Likewise I have no problem with Japanese [ɺ]. However, clear [l] feels overly careful, formal, or foreign to me in English, i.e. it is not part of my English dialect even though I can pronounce it without a problem, and I would tend to assume that someone who uses it to pronounce English is a foreigner. The only issue is that I find it hard to pronounce [ɫ], to combine both coronal and velar articulation together.
Dibotahamdn duthma jallni agaynni ra hgitn lakrhmi.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.