? is basically a /S/ with the tongue raised so there's friction at the palate, as for /C/ (and as a result the tip is pushed forward a bit to become alveolar).
But the river tripped on her by and by, lapping
as though her heart was brook: Why, why, why! Weh, O weh
I'se so silly to be flowing but I no canna stay!
IMI, its completely unapical. Tip of the tongue is behind the bottom gums. Except in /tS/, when it starts apical and moves laminal, but nnever as laminal as by itself.
But the river tripped on her by and by, lapping
as though her heart was brook: Why, why, why! Weh, O weh
I'se so silly to be flowing but I no canna stay!
Salmoneus wrote:IMI, its completely unapical. Tip of the tongue is behind the bottom gums. Except in /tS/, when it starts apical and moves laminal, but nnever as laminal as by itself.
The apex is the tip of the tongue, and the lamina the bit right behind it, to clear up any confusion.
Yes, I know. Although I think laminal refers to any sound where the articulator is the blade of the tongue, rather than the tip - no matter how far back from the tip it may be.
My /S/ has the frication caused by the blade, far back. My /tS/ has an apical /t/, and then the /S/ starts apical and moves back to laminal as the tongue moves forward. But this time it is the front of the blade, a short distance behind the tip.
But the river tripped on her by and by, lapping
as though her heart was brook: Why, why, why! Weh, O weh
I'se so silly to be flowing but I no canna stay!
Salmoneus wrote:Yes, I know. Although I think laminal refers to any sound where the articulator is the blade of the tongue, rather than the tip - no matter how far back from the tip it may be.
Salmoneus wrote:My /S/ has the frication caused by the blade, far back. My /tS/ has an apical /t/, and then the /S/ starts apical and moves back to laminal as the tongue moves forward. But this time it is the front of the blade, a short distance behind the tip.
That seems rather weird to me; I'm pretty sure my /tS/ and /S/ are both laminal, as is post-alveolar /t/ by itself (e.g. in select).