What about linguo-supraorbitals, (or whatever the sounds are made by touching the tip of the tongue to the eyebrow)? [edit]: "linguo-supercilials" is what I meant. [/edit] And anal trills have already been mentioned. (Perhaps only on other threads.) For that matter, a simple labio-nasal sound (lower lip touches tip of nose) may at least tie these "supralabials". Or even the kind of labio-velar that's made by touching the velum with the lower lip. (There really are labio-alveolars in ExtIPA, and I think also in X-SAMPA; made by touching the alveolar ridge with the lower lip. A labio-palatal PoA isn't that much of a stretch from there. A dento-labial sound made touching the upper lip to the backs of the roots of the lower teeth is also possible.) And, an apico-septal (or should that be apico-philtral) PoA made by touching the tip of the tongue to the place where the nasal septum meets the upper lip, is not outside the realm of possibility (for some people -- I'm not one of them).[edit]: Those may be the same as dhokarena56's "supralabials". [/edit] An apico-uvular retroflex, made by touching the tip of the tongue to the uvula, should also be considered.cromulant wrote:That is the worst phone imaginable.dhokarena56 wrote:Am I the only one to think of using "supralabials"? AKA the tongue is placed between the upper gum and the upper lip. When drawn downwards, plosives and nasals can be produced. Not so sure about other manners of articulation though...
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Really? I thought it was dangerous; too much chance of the speaker swallowing his/her own tongue and choking. I suppose an "apico-pharyngeal", or worse an "apico-laryngeal" or "apico-epiglottal" or "apico-glottal", PoA, would be even more dangerous.Silk wrote:That phone is sexy.An apico-uvular retroflex, made by touching the tip of the tongue to the uvula, should also be considered.
The "labio-cervical" PoA, where the lower lip touches the tip of the back cervical vertebra, is not so much dangerous as painful.
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I don't think I can physically do that. The closest I can get is the back of the blade of the tongue.Silk wrote:That phone is sexy.An apico-uvular retroflex, made by touching the tip of the tongue to the uvula, should also be considered.
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"Oh shit, it's a prevoiced labio-cervical velaric ingressive stop with glottalized uvular affrication!"The "labio-cervical" PoA, where the lower lip touches the tip of the back cervical vertebra, is not so much dangerous as painful.
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I don't think I can touch anything further back than the soft palate with the tip of my tongue.The Unseen wrote:I don't think I can physically do that. The closest I can get is the back of the blade of the tongue.Silk wrote:That phone is sexy.An apico-uvular retroflex, made by touching the tip of the tongue to the uvula, should also be considered.
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Same here. Reaching the uvula requires me to bring my tongue back as far as it goes: curling my tongue back only reaches the soft palate.Piotr wrote:I don't think I can touch anything further back than the soft palate with the tip of my tongue.The Unseen wrote:I don't think I can physically do that. The closest I can get is the back of the blade of the tongue.Silk wrote:That phone is sexy.An apico-uvular retroflex, made by touching the tip of the tongue to the uvula, should also be considered.
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Its quite hard for me to even reach my soft palate with the tip of my tongue :')
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I'd like to know more about that.BettyCross wrote:Not to mention my personal discovery, the uvular lateral approximate.
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Does anyone's conlang ever use any sounds where the mobile or "soft" articulator is in the speaker's mouth but the stabile or "hard" articulator is in the addressee's mouth?
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"Alfalfa"? What do you mean? Alfalfa is a kind of plant in Spanish...TomHChappell wrote:I think maybe so; or, maybe, an "alfalfa" kiss.Neqitan wrote:Sort of a French kiss??TomHChappell wrote:Does anyone's conlang ever use any sounds where the mobile or "soft" articulator is in the speaker's mouth but the stabile or "hard" articulator is in the addressee's mouth?
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Huge bump, but I finally found a language that has that contrast: according to The Sounds of the World's Languages, page 33, Komi contrasts palatal stops with palatal and postalveolar affricates.¡Papapishu! wrote:[*]Only Nuntar (/c_C J\_j\/) and JQP (/c_C_>/) used palatal affricates. These, too, are reasonably common, though I don't know how common contrasting them with /c J\/ is.
edit: Also, the Burkikhan dialect of Agul contrasts voiceless pharyngeal and epiglottal fricatives. Sound samples here.
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I once used a voiced ejective (yes it's possible, but it's more like d͡t ' )
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It's categorically not possible to make a voiced ejective because of the configuration of the glottis. Technically, they're not voiceless either, but unphonated; the glottis is completely closed, whereas with voicing it's a bit open and vibrating, and with voicelessness it's wide open and not vibrating. So yeah, you can have a pre-voiced ejective or cluster with a [d], like what you wrote there, but not true voicing.Darkgamma wrote:I once used a voiced ejective (yes it's possible, but it's more like d͡t ' )
(also taking into account just the shape of the glottis it's arguably closer to voicing than voicelessness but that's a bit of a moot point really)
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It's not legal to use North Caucasian languages as evidence for anything, as their phonolgies clearly originate from the random phonology generator.Nortaneous wrote:Huge bump, but I finally found a language that has that contrast: according to The Sounds of the World's Languages, page 33, Komi contrasts palatal stops with palatal and postalveolar affricates.¡Papapishu! wrote:[*]Only Nuntar (/c_C J\_j\/) and JQP (/c_C_>/) used palatal affricates. These, too, are reasonably common, though I don't know how common contrasting them with /c J\/ is.
edit: Also, the Burkikhan dialect of Agul contrasts voiceless pharyngeal and epiglottal fricatives. Sound samples here.
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Nah, they don't have creaky-voiced implosives or vowel systems with more phonations than POAs.Drydic Guy wrote:It's not legal to use North Caucasian languages as evidence for anything, as their phonolgies clearly originate from the random phonology generator.Nortaneous wrote:Huge bump, but I finally found a language that has that contrast: according to The Sounds of the World's Languages, page 33, Komi contrasts palatal stops with palatal and postalveolar affricates.¡Papapishu! wrote:[*]Only Nuntar (/c_C J\_j\/) and JQP (/c_C_>/) used palatal affricates. These, too, are reasonably common, though I don't know how common contrasting them with /c J\/ is.
edit: Also, the Burkikhan dialect of Agul contrasts voiceless pharyngeal and epiglottal fricatives. Sound samples here.
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That's just what they WANT you to think.Nortaneous wrote:Nah, they don't have creaky-voiced implosives or vowel systems with more phonations than POAs.Drydic Guy wrote:It's not legal to use North Caucasian languages as evidence for anything, as their phonolgies clearly originate from the random phonology generator.Nortaneous wrote:Huge bump, but I finally found a language that has that contrast: according to The Sounds of the World's Languages, page 33, Komi contrasts palatal stops with palatal and postalveolar affricates.¡Papapishu! wrote:[*]Only Nuntar (/c_C J\_j\/) and JQP (/c_C_>/) used palatal affricates. These, too, are reasonably common, though I don't know how common contrasting them with /c J\/ is.
edit: Also, the Burkikhan dialect of Agul contrasts voiceless pharyngeal and epiglottal fricatives. Sound samples here.
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Re: The Lesser-Used Sounds
I've used those, calling them voiced, although I am aware that they really are prevoiced. I think Shad'ak has [dt_> dts_> dtS_>]...finlay wrote:It's categorically not possible to make a voiced ejective because of the configuration of the glottis. Technically, they're not voiceless either, but unphonated; the glottis is completely closed, whereas with voicing it's a bit open and vibrating, and with voicelessness it's wide open and not vibrating. So yeah, you can have a pre-voiced ejective or cluster with a [d], like what you wrote there, but not true voicing.Darkgamma wrote:I once used a voiced ejective (yes it's possible, but it's more like d͡t ' )
(also taking into account just the shape of the glottis it's arguably closer to voicing than voicelessness but that's a bit of a moot point really)
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I'm using it in my current language, at least.¡Papapishu! wrote:[*]Only Curlyjimsam used that Swedish fricative /x\/. But it's thought by some that that one might not actually exist. (Why not? I don't know. Ask them.)
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While your mouths are together both say "alfalfa".Serafín wrote:TomHChappell wrote:Does anyone's conlang ever use any sounds where the mobile or "soft" articulator is in the speaker's mouth but the stabile or "hard" articulator is in the addressee's mouth?
Neqitan wrote: Sort of a French kiss??TomHChappell wrote:I think maybe so; or, maybe, an "alfalfa" kiss.
"Alfalfa"? What do you mean? Alfalfa is a kind of plant in Spanish...
Nothing to do with plants or Spanish, anymore than butterfly kisses have anything to do with mariposas or French kissing has to do with French.