Conlang Diachronics Relay II (now with schedule!)

Arzena · Post by **Arzena** » Mon Nov 30, 2009 1:25 am

Sound changes from Cetazo to Shtåså are now up on AkanaWiki.

EDIT: Lexicon version 1.0 is up.

the duke of nuke · Post by **the duke of nuke** » Mon Nov 30, 2009 9:07 am

It's looking very nice; reminds me somewhat of Hebrew. Keep it up

Nortaneous · Post by **Nortaneous** » Mon Nov 30, 2009 9:17 am

sound changes from Ingomoe to Haenheliubl here

the rules at the top are persistent

nebula wind phone · Post by **nebula wind phone** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 1:07 am

I think Merneha is ready to go. I'm still fixing up the formatting and filling in examples, but I've held this up long enough, and there ought to be everything in there that the next round will need.

(And if not, I've still held this up long enough, so go ahead and go on without me.

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4pq1injbok · Post by **4pq1injbok** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 11:13 am

Merneha looks awesome. I also notice it's crept closer to Kibülʌiṅ in certain ways.

Anyway, Kibülʌiṅ should be regarded as done too. All I really expect to do from here in is make additions to the lexicon (and perhaps examples).

nebula wind phone · Post by **nebula wind phone** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 12:40 pm

4pq1injbok wrote:Merneha looks awesome. I also notice it's crept closer to Kibülʌiṅ in certain ways.

Yeah, the one conscious shift towards Kibülʌiṅ was using the phase suffixes for grounding. I tried to resist, but it just seemed like the Right Thing to do with them.

But it looks like we're doing some similar things with relative clauses too now, and there's probably others that I'm not even noticing because I've been staring at this stuff too long.

The two-trigger system looks seriously badass, btw. Nice job.

Zhen Lin · Post by **Zhen Lin** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 3:25 am

Indeed. Excellent grammar design in both!

Nortaneous · Post by **Nortaneous** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 3:48 am

Haenheliubl is basically done. I'll probably keep adding things, but everything that's already there is finished. Most of the work that I need to do is formatting anyway.

Cedh · Post by **Cedh** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 4:56 am

Kudos to nebulawindphone and 4pq1injbok: Your languages are indeed pretty cool!

Also, with three Peninsular languages finished, we're finally able to start Round II in this group. Kuanye, krinnen, faiuwle, and ulan, you may start your turns! Please select one of Proto-Peninsular, Gaadràmarneš, Merneha, or Kibülʌiṅ to work from. Your goal date is December 31st.

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In the Western group, basically everyone is running late... get going, guys

What is there so far looks quite promising though. Nortaneous' Hāňheliubľ just needs some polishing, the second half of the text, and more vocab (although a written syntax section would be good as well). Kohorik's Satnímʔa looks really cool, but much of verbal morphology is still missing, as are syntax, lexicon and text. Arzena's Shtåså has phonology and noun morphology so far, and Abi's Ohilí is just phonology at this point. We haven't seen anything from brandrinn yet, but he said he'd post something soon... go ahead, please!

I'm myself guilty of not adding the finishing touches to Tmaśareʔ yet, but it should have enough to derive a daughter from. Also, we have several earlier Western languages with no or few descendants yet, so I think we can start the next round here too:

PeteTheMadScientist, Trailsend, and Tarasoriku, please choose one of Proto-Coastal-Western (PDF), Šetâmol (PDF), Óhylvídós, or Tmaśareʔ, and start working! (If you don't like any of these, Satnímʔa and Hāňheliubľ might be advanced far enough to start deriving a daughter, and one more descendant of Çetázó or Iŋomœ́ should be in order too.) As with the Peninsular group, try to finish until December 31st.

[EDIT: caedes too.]

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After that, we're running out of participants for Western, so if anyone wants to join in, please step forward! There would even be some space in the group that is starting just now...

PeteTheMadScientist · Post by **PeteTheMadScientist** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 6:14 am

I think I'll work from Tmasare?

Tarasoriku · Post by **Tarasoriku** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 2:23 pm

Wait I have till the 31st now? Sweet.

krinnen · Post by **krinnen** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 8:03 pm

cedh audmanh wrote:Kudos to nebulawindphone and 4pq1injbok: Your languages are indeed pretty cool!

Also, with three Peninsular languages finished, we're finally able to start Round II in this group. Kuanye, krinnen, faiuwle, and ulan, you may start your turns! Please select one of Proto-Peninsular, Gaadràmarneš, Merneha, or Kibülʌiṅ to work from. Your goal date is December 31st.

Yay!! Worst timing in the world, but hey! What can I say? I'll decide on a parent and get started!

Arzena · Post by **Arzena** » Sat Dec 05, 2009 8:33 pm

The Horse and the Sheep, The Shtåså Version

Vejim señi sûsahispkakt hibak ñenkïk

vej-im señ-i sû-sahisp-ga-kt hib-ak ñenk-ïk

hill-LOC horse-ERG PAST-see-3ERG-NC2.pl some-ABS.pl sheep-ABS.pl

A horse on a hill saw some sheep

Šeñi sûčkveskadð tabðuå ñenkuå þul

*šeñ-i sû-čk-ves-ga-dð tabð-uå ñenk-uå þul

woman-ERG PAST-PROG-cut-3ERG-NC3 first-OBL sheep-OBL wool(ABS)

A woman was cutting the away the first sheep’s wool

Felh* sûčkhlatkad šiðï ñenkï

felh sû-čk-hlat-ga-d šið ñenkï

child.ERG PAST-PROG-milk-3ERG-NC2 second(ABS) sheep(ABS)

A child was milking the second sheep

Lhi* sûčkwejskad tuðï ñenkï

lhi sû-chk-wejs-ga-d tudhï ñenkï

man.ERG PAST-PROG-kill-3ERG-NC2 third(ABS) sheep(ABS)

A man was killing the third sheep

Jabû hašank sûčkfebïd ñedðï ñenkï

jabû haša-nk sû-chik-febï-d ñedðï ñenkï

3pl.OLB fire-INST PAST-PROG-cook-NC2 forth sheep.(ABS)

They were using their fire to cook the forth sheep

Señi sûdðeškaš če ñenkuå dða

señ-i sû-dðeš-ga-š če ñenk-uå dða

horse PAST-say-3ERG-NC8 this.ABS sheep-OBL DAT

The horse said this to a sheep

Mašåksav þaþkad ñenkïk jaši ïšaskan

mašåks-av þaþ-ga-d ñenk-ïk jaši ïšas-ga-n

man-ERG use-3ERG-NC2 sheep-ABS.PL COMP cause.pain-3ERG-1ABS

It pains me that man uses sheep like this*

Tabdi ñenku señiå dða če sûdðeškaš

tab-di ñenku señ-iå dða che sû-dðeš-ga-š

one-NC2-ERG sheep-ERG horse-OBL DAT this(ABS) PAST-say-3ERG-NC8

One sheep said this to the horse

Čijhiššan

čij-hiš-š-an

IMP-hear-2SG.ERG-1SG.ABS

Listen to me!

Fid vegï señ ftaječkad tþa jegïgd jaši ïšaskan

fi-d vegï señ ftaječ-ga-d tþa jegï-g-d jaši ïšas-ga-n

REL-NC2 quick horse(ABS) shoot-3ERG-NC2 and eat-3ERG-NC2 COMP cause.pain-3ERG-1ABS

It pains me that the swift horse is shot and eaten

Mašåksi je bengaš tå vegïdï

mašåks-i je ben-ga-š tå vegï-dï

human-COLL-ERG not know-3ERG-NC9 2SG.OBL quickness

Man does not know your quickness

Dðan čwen ji sïlbengaš

dðan čwen ji sïl-ben-ga-š

but next.year 3.ERG FUT-know-3SG.ERG-NC9

But next year he will know

Fan tas ta mašåkså helbï sïlašad

fan tas ta mašåks-å helbï sïl-aša-d

then also 2SG human-COLL-OBL slave FUT-be-NC2

Then you shall be a slave of man

Señi sûhišd tþa sûhejd tkačåč

señ-i sû-hiš-d tþa sû-hej-d tkač-åč

horse-ERG PAST-hear-NC2 and PAST-run-NC2 plain-ALL

The horse heard [it] and fled to the plain.

Notes

In this version of the Horse and the Sheep, ð č š ñ þ, are used for / D tS S J T/

*Note the use of the archaic form šeñ instead of šeñin 'woman'.

* fel ‘child’ ERG. felh OBL. felå

* ftaječ to shoot with a bow

* la man irreg. ABS. lhi OBL. lå

* aša is a copular verb

A u in the root of a noun or verb shifts to ï with the addition of morphemes outside of the

absolutive case

čik- is used to form a progressive tense sûčk- in the past tense sïlčk- in the future tense

čij- ‘want’ is prefixed to form an imperative

caedes · Post by **caedes** » Sat Dec 05, 2009 8:55 pm

cedh audmanh wrote: After that, we're running out of participants for Western, so if anyone wants to join in, please step forward! There would even be some space in the group that is starting just now...

If possible, I'd like to join in and make another descendant of Çetázó.

Cedh · Post by **Cedh** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 8:30 am

caedes wrote:If possible, I'd like to join in and make another descendant of Çetázó.

Sure, I'll add you in. Go right ahead!

Arzena · Post by **Arzena** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 3:24 pm

The Shtåså lexicon is now alphabetized and outfitted with good aesthetics

krinnen · Post by **krinnen** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 6:32 am

I'm starting work deriving from Merneha

nebula wind phone · Post by **nebula wind phone** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 11:51 pm

Awesome. If you find anything unclear/missing/whatever, lemme know — I threw it up in a bit of a hurry, and there might be stuff that didn't make it out of my head and onto the page.

Arzena · Post by **Arzena** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 11:20 pm

Shtåså is finished. From now on I'll be adding more vocab to the lexicon and history of the Anheshnaks and their interactions with Xshalad.

EDIT: I have a question, before I took a close look at the relay rules, I hastily made a sketch for a descendant of Proto-Western called Empótleʔá. I was wondering if I could complete it and post it on Akanawiki, seeing that I'm done with Shtåså, I would like something to do.

caedes · Post by **caedes** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 6:53 pm

Sound changes from Çetázó to Hośər and its phoneme inventory are now up on the wiki, by the way.

krinnen · Post by **krinnen** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:20 pm

nebula wind phone wrote:Awesome. If you find anything unclear/missing/whatever, lemme know — I threw it up in a bit of a hurry, and there might be stuff that didn't make it out of my head and onto the page.

I'm progressing very, very slowly. Not conlanging for more than a year has made this harder than I thought. I'll PM you if something comes up

Cedh · Post by **Cedh** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:23 pm

nebula wind phone wrote:If you find anything unclear/missing/whatever, lemme know

I was thinking about starting to compile a comparative translation page for Peninsular earlier today, like the one for Western, and I noticed that Merneha doesn't have a sample text yet. I'd love to see a translation of the Fish fable

Vortex:
Gaadràmarneš has a sample text but no gloss... Could you possibly provide one?

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Also, I saw this just now:

Arzena wrote:EDIT: I have a question, before I took a close look at the relay rules, I hastily made a sketch for a descendant of Proto-Western called Empótleʔá. I was wondering if I could complete it and post it on Akanawiki, seeing that I'm done with Shtåså, I would like something to do.

Yeah, why not. We don't really need another direct descendant of PW, strictly speaking, but I guess the geography of the region is such that we could easily accommodate another early western isolate, most likely somewhere in the mountains close to the PW homeland. Looking forward to see what it's like...

Torco · Post by **Torco** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:29 pm

ðis looks fun... where do I start ?

Cedh · Post by **Cedh** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 4:07 am

Torco wrote:ðis looks fun... where do I start ?

If you feel like you can complete a relay language until New Year's Eve, you can start right away, preferrably from one of Proto-Coastal-Western (PDF), Šetâmol (PDF), Óhylvídós, or Tmaśareʔ. If you want more time and/or prefer to work in the Peninsular family, I'd suggest waiting for the next round, i.e. joining the January group. This would also give you more opportunities to check out possible parent langs.

Also, I might link the rules & schedule as a reference one more time.

the duke of nuke · Post by **the duke of nuke** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 8:35 am

Torco - I'm in the early stages of work on a descendant of PCW (not strictly part of the relay) so if you're interested in deriving another we could collaborate on the history of that part of the world. Just a thought