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PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 5:48 am 
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I'm pretty sure a number of threads on this topic have sprung up recently, but searching couldn't find them so my apologies for creating a duplicate thread if I have done so.

How do you store your conlang's lexicon?

I'm up to the stage with my Qevesa grammar that I need to start building up a lexicon so I can participate in TCs to further refine the grammar. Problem is, I've got no idea how to store it, or even where to start; I've experimented with Text Documents or CSVs in OpenOffice, XHTML definition lists, plain text files, and none of them are satisfactory. Faiuwle's ConlangDictionary looks interesting but I'm not sure if it would work well with what I have in mind.

Ideally I'd like to create a searchable database accessible from my browser, using a SQLite or similar backend, that's simple to maintain and extensible. I quite like Guitarplayer's dictionary for Ayeri on his TayBenung site, and there's a few others I've seen that look like a well-designed interface (although I have no idea how well they work internally).

The main problem is that as Qevesa is based around consonantal roots, so I really need a means of storing all the derivative forms, and searching them all, as well as being able to edit them with ease. The resulting system could be visualised as a 3D table (X=vowel patterns / Y=roots / Z=meanings), so a database would probably be ideal, but trying to develop this is a seemingly insurmountable task. Where should I start?

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 6:50 am 
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Aw do we have to have that thread A G A I N ? (Sorry!) What you may want to have a look at is SQL syntax, Codd's 12 Rules, and how inner joins work. Also, how to make queries and fetch them with e.g. PHP. Yes, it requires some work, but it's not unworkable.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 12:00 pm 
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I use a Microsoft Word file with lists of lexemes, place names, personal names, and so forth.

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Google Docs spreadsheet. I've also got a notebook where I write down new words, but the spreadsheet is much easier to organize.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 3:54 pm 
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A simple but well-formatted HTML file, in which each lexeme sits on a line for itself.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 5:59 pm 
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Google Docs spreadsheet, since it's a collaborative project. You can have multiple pages in one spreadsheet file, which is handy for organization.


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For a long time I used Excel, but I'm currently in the process of migrating everything to Lexique Pro.

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I use to use 3x5 cards for the few words I had but now I am going to Lexique Pro.


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I have a word doc, and a dictonary on my wiki.

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Open Office at the moment. I believe the have a similar thing to excel in it as well.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:53 pm 
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As for me, I use a Numbers file. I don't need anything more complicated.

I took a course in SQL a while back, but I didn't find it particularly useful. I don't think you would need anything like that for your problem.

I might be able to help you, if you can a) explain exactly what you need, and b) run Perl programs.

I'm not sure why you would need a rank 3 array. I would have guessed roots on one axis, patterns on one axis, and for each entry the English word (and the conlang word, if that's not completely obvious from root+pattern). Then you could search for either an English word, a conlang word, or a root+pattern, and see all matching entries, or you could search for a root, and see a list of all patterns which are possible with that root (and perhaps their whole entries).
Is that what you need, or are there any other searches you need to be able to do?

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