My project KAPMAN

[shinkarom]

I am creating my lang KAPMAN from scratch. (http://lingvofan.blogspot.com/search/label/KAPMAN)
Please leave comments in my blog too.

The dictionaries will be updated.

Bits of trivia: how is the name of the movie "The Terminator" in KAPMAN? "Natpatakanapk"(not-to be-to make-man).
"Terminator Two" is "Natpatakanapk Kapm"

[Thomas Winwood]

But let's create a fully new language without deep immersion in linguistics. Introduce KAPMAN. This language has only five letters and simple grammatics.

You cannot have language without linguistics, any more than you can have a tank without a military-industrial complex backing its creation and distribution.

The reason most people here choose to present their languages in the form of a reference grammar is partly because it's the most concise way of recording detailed information about a language, and partly because their audience is other linguists. While you're making a language, you should at least keep a reference grammar for yourself even if you present it as something else.

You've started from an alphabet rather than a set of phonemes, but okay, I'll take your alphabet as a phoneme inventory. I should reprimand you for your use of the letter Pp to indicate /r/ - while it probably makes perfect sense to you (I sense you're a native speaker of a Slavic language) it's akin to my making a language written in the Cyrillic alphabet and declaring the letter Рр to be read as /p/. I suggest the letter Rr (which you use in your own example sentence - kar and nark for standard kap and napk).

I'm hesitant to comment on anything more because I don't know what your pretensions are - do you intend for a language which behaves like a natural language, or are you going for something synthetic which could serve as an international auxiliary (like Esperanto)?

[shinkarom]

First my intention was to make a speedlang to show it's simple. Then I planned to imrove it to the level of modern European languages.
Now I want to make something people would not think bad about. Also, AdSense is my only way to e-arn money. So I want a language so good, to have its site visited by people, like Wenedyk.

[Astraios]

This makes me want to shoot you even more. =\

[patiku]

First my intention was to make a speedlang to show it's simple. Then I planned to imrove it to the level of modern European languages.
Now I want to make something people would not think bad about. Also, AdSense is my only way to e-arn money. So I want a language so good, to have its site visited by people, like Wenedyk.

This post gets better every time I read it.

[Jipí]

A jollygoodmodel for business~

[shinkarom]

Some sentences:
"You live in my house" is "Pka kna-tan an tap-ka tan".
"The female cook is doing well" is "Mna-ampakanapk tpatatan tata"

[Jipí]

Interlinear?

[shinkarom]

Pka kna-tan an tap-ka tan
You presenttenseverb-live in posession-I house
Mna-ampakanapk kna-tpatatan tata
female-cook pesenttenseverb-verbsimilartoitalianstare good

[Jipí]

Further suggested reading: http://www.eva.mpg.de/lingua/resources/ ... -rules.php

[shinkarom]

Now I see the language has some potential.
P. S. I have updated the dictionaries.

[Acid Badger]

Is there only /p t k m n/ /a/ in your language?

[shinkarom]

Yes, but I will add some letters later, and some will appear as a result of sound changes.

[Jipí]

Sounds are not acoustic realizations of letters, but letters are graphic representations of sounds. And while you can derive sounds of speech from the written word, e.g. when you read things aloud, you wouldn't typically say a musical instrument makes notes, even though what you usually do is reading information on how to play things from notes.

[shinkarom]

I feel myself almost like an author of "My Immortal". Can you (at least temporarily) stop critisizing and tell me something constructive.
At least download and view the dictionaries.

[Astraios]

What do you expect when ur doin it rong?

[shinkarom]

Excuse me, but I used to think that first puprose of conlangs is to have fun. This is what I am doing with KAPMAN. I said: "without deep immersion into linguistics".

[Ulrike Meinhof]

Excuse me, but I used to think that first puprose of conlangs is to have fun. This is what I am doing with KAPMAN. I said: "without deep immersion into linguistics".

If all you want to do is have mindless fun without thinking about how human languages actually function, then there's no way to criticise it constructively. What do you want us to comment? "I like your phonemes"? The only constructive thing to tell you is to learn more about linguistics.

[Astraios]

Excuse me, but I used to think that first puprose of conlangs is to have fun. This is what I am doing with KAPMAN. I said: "without deep immersion into linguistics".

So how do you want to make your language without linguistics? It's like saying "I'm going to make a chocolate cake without any chocolate or flour or butter or eggs, and it's going to be the best chocolate cake ever! "

[Jipí]

What the others said. While I admit I've been a little snarky (I tend to at the moment, don't know why), those were all well-meant suggestions to help you get a grip on stuff, at least that was my purpose. There's no serious conlanging without getting into at least a basic understanding of linguistics and its conventions. Or you're basically bound to recreate languages you already know, most probably your native language (This, by the way, is especially the case when people claim their language "has no syntax").

Also, you want to generate traffic on your website. Well then. Be warned that, while people may point out that this or that thing in your conlang (once it's more mature) may be interesting, or could be made more interesting if you think about X/Y/Z, this doesn't necessarily generate more traffic on your website. Generally, you won't become a pop star as you step on the scene, even if the scene is not too large, as in conlanging as organized on the internet. Actually, if you bring things here in bite-sized pieces of information, it's much more likely you get the feedback you want, rather than in the comments section of your blog. That doesn't mean showcasing things on your website isn't fine as well, e.g. to show you've put some thought into things, how you think, and that you're actually actively developing (these three things were partly why I restructured my website to include a blog recently), to formulate thoughts on matters before discussing them elsewhere, or to conclude things after discussion. But don't expect people to do discussion for you on your blog, just because it exists, and to read your grammar and dictionary front to back, or even to learn it (even if they'll say so). Especially not when you've only still begun. A well fleshed-out conlang – even if it's an a-posteriori lang where you "just" derive things from other languages – is not made in a couple of weeks. This isn't meant to discourage you, it's only stating the facts.

I know you said in your original post that you didn't want to get too deeply into things. And while having a little fun with language isn't a bad thing per se, it looks kind of strange if you expect lots of criticism, fame, and pageviews from it, in my opinion.

[shinkarom]

The purprose of KAPMAN was to have no immersion in linguistics.
With other projects, I will immerse; but not now.

Matthew Shileds found KAPMAN "nice and simple". Do you have, like him, good words to say about my lang?

P. S. You are wrong about origins of kapman. First I invented it oral way, and only after that wrote down.

[Dewrad]

What exactly do you mean by "immersion in linguistics" anyway?

[Legion]

Matthew Shileds found KAPMAN "nice and simple". Do you have, like him, good words to say about my lang?

No because it sucks, and everyone on this board will tell you so more or less politely.


(You can leave now)

[TomHChappell]

But let's create a fully new language without deep immersion in linguistics. Introduce KAPMAN. This language has only five letters and simple grammatics.

You cannot have language without linguistics, any more than you can have a tank without a military-industrial complex backing its creation and distribution.

The reason most people here choose to present their languages in the form of a reference grammar is partly because it's the most concise way of recording detailed information about a language, and partly because their audience is other linguists. While you're making a language, you should at least keep a reference grammar for yourself even if you present it as something else.

You've started from an alphabet rather than a set of phonemes, but okay, I'll take your alphabet as a phoneme inventory. I should reprimand you for your use of the letter Pp to indicate /r/ - while it probably makes perfect sense to you (I sense you're a native speaker of a Slavic language) it's akin to my making a language written in the Cyrillic alphabet and declaring the letter Рр to be read as /p/. I suggest the letter Rr (which you use in your own example sentence - kar and nark for standard kap and napk).

I'm hesitant to comment on anything more because I don't know what your pretensions are - do you intend for a language which behaves like a natural language, or are you going for something synthetic which could serve as an international auxiliary (like Esperanto)?

What XinuX said.

Further suggested reading: http://www.eva.mpg.de/lingua/resources/ ... -rules.php

Sounds are not acoustic realizations of letters, but letters are graphic representations of sounds. And while you can derive sounds of speech from the written word, e.g. when you read things aloud, you wouldn't typically say a musical instrument makes notes, even though what you usually do is reading information on how to play things from notes.

What Guitarplayer said, too.

Excuse me, but I used to think that first puprose of conlangs is to have fun. This is what I am doing with KAPMAN. I said: "without deep immersion into linguistics".

If all you want to do is have mindless fun without thinking about how human languages actually function, then there's no way to criticise it constructively. What do you want us to comment? "I like your phonemes"? The only constructive thing to tell you is to learn more about linguistics.

And what Ulrike said.

I feel myself almost like an author of "My Immortal". Can you (at least temporarily) stop critisizing and tell me something constructive.
At least download and view the dictionaries.

Xinux's and Guitarplayer's and Ulrike's remarks were constructive.


But the following aren't.

This makes me want to shoot you even more. =\

What do you expect when ur doin it rong?

Matthew Shileds found KAPMAN "nice and simple". Do you have, like him, good words to say about my lang?

No because it sucks, and everyone on this board will tell you so more or less politely.


(You can leave now)

Please, don't bite the newbie.

[Astraios]

Please, don't bite the newbie.

@shinkarom: Please to accept my apologies, and don't worry, the bites won't kill you.