I only write it [ʈʂ] to distinguish it from <ch> because they *are* articulated slightly differently. It's not actually retroflex.Chibi wrote:Mine's similar, except with [ɑ] instead of [a] and [ɫ] instead of [ʁ]...and the [j] is definitely there. And actually I think I have [tʃ]. So it's not actually that similar at all, IPA-wiseTheta wrote:Triangle is a mess of a word. [ʈʂɹa(j)æŋg.ʁ]
So [tʃɹɑjæŋgɫ̩]
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^^ [t͡ɕ]?
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I think that would be a good transcription but I usually just write it tS or the IPA equivalent.
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Yeah, [bɻ̩ˠd], [wɔɻˤ], [wɻ̩ˠ], [fɑɻˤ], [fɔɻ̩] (unstressed [f͏ɻˠ]).Bob Johnson wrote:What do you have for <bird>?Bedelato wrote:for me it produces a minimal pair barred /bɑɹd/ vs. bard /bʌɹd/
Do <warrior> and <worrier> contrast? <war> and <were>? <far> and <for>?
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What's that now?Bedelato wrote:[f͏ɻˠ]
[f͏ɻˠ]
Something seems strange here. And this time I'm pretty sure it's not me. Because all those blanks seem unnecessary...
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what blanksMr. Z wrote:Something seems strange here. And this time I'm pretty sure it's not me. Because all those blanks seem unnecessary...
that's a labiodental fricative, and a velarized retroflex approximant
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I can see that, but what about those broken lines that form a square and a circle? You know, the ones that should have a real letter in their place.Bob Johnson wrote:what blanksMr. Z wrote:Something seems strange here. And this time I'm pretty sure it's not me. Because all those blanks seem unnecessary...
that's a labiodental fricative, and a velarized retroflex approximant
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Hmm, copying in Word is fine, but on board, there's funky stuff going on.
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triangle: [tʃɻ̯aɪ.ŋ.ɡl] -- the [ɻ] in /tr/ /dr/ seems shorter than in, say, <rain>. No [æ] here unless I'm being really careful.
I'm not sure whether the /tr/~/tʃ/ contrast is disappearing, but these four are clear enough:
dane [d̥eɪn]
drain [dʒɻeɪn]
Jane [dʒeɪn]
Dwayne [dweɪn]
(Twain is [tʰʷʍ̯eɪn] amusingly enough (to me at least))
I'm not sure whether the /tr/~/tʃ/ contrast is disappearing, but these four are clear enough:
dane [d̥eɪn]
drain [dʒɻeɪn]
Jane [dʒeɪn]
Dwayne [dweɪn]
(Twain is [tʰʷʍ̯eɪn] amusingly enough (to me at least))
Your font and/or browser don't properly support combining characters. Those are placeholders from the sup-gamma probably.Mr. Z wrote:I can see that, but what about those broken lines that form a square and a circle? You know, the ones that should have a real letter in their place.
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Well, all the other combining characters work perfectly well for me. It's just this one.Bob Johnson wrote:triangle: [tʃɻ̯aɪ.ŋ.ɡl] -- the [ɻ] in /tr/ /dr/ seems shorter than in, say, <rain>. No [æ] here unless I'm being really careful.
I'm not sure whether the /tr/~/tʃ/ contrast is disappearing, but these four are clear enough:
dane [d̥eɪn]
drain [dʒɻeɪn]
Jane [dʒeɪn]
Dwayne [dweɪn]
(Twain is [tʰʷʍ̯eɪn] amusingly enough (to me at least))
Your font and/or browser don't properly support combining characters. Those are placeholders from the sup-gamma probably.Mr. Z wrote:I can see that, but what about those broken lines that form a square and a circle? You know, the ones that should have a real letter in their place.
Languages I speak fluentlyPřemysl wrote:Oh god, we truly are nerdy. My first instinct was "why didn't he just use sunt and have it all in Latin?".Kereb wrote:they are nerdissimus inter nerdes
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[ʧʰɹˤaɪ̯.ŋ̩.ɡɫ̩]Risla wrote:I'd like to know how people pronounce 'triangle,' as I seem to be unable to nail down the IPA for how I pronounce it. I'd also like to know how people pronounce 'begin,' 'began' and 'begun'. I had another thing to ask about but I forgot it.
[b̥ɡ̥ɪn]
[b̥ɡ̥ɛə̯n]
[b̥ɡ̥ʌn]
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I came across the word 'eliminable' in a paper lately. How do you pronounce it? I'm not native, but my guess would be:
[iˈlɪmənəbɫ̠]
(actually, I forgot the proper diacritic for syllabic consonants, but oh well)
[iˈlɪmənəbɫ̠]
(actually, I forgot the proper diacritic for syllabic consonants, but oh well)
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Not /i/, but schwa or /ɪ/ again.
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I have it as [əɫɨmɨ̃ɾəbʁ̩ ], n lenites similarly to other alveolars except it nasalizes the preceding vowel. [ʁ] is final /l/ in my speech, although it could be pre-uvular or velar or something.
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Whow, that's fun, I need to remember that for some sound change in a conlang.Theta wrote:I have it as [əɫɨmɨ̃ɾəbʁ̩ ], n lenites similarly to other alveolars except it nasalizes the preceding vowel.
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gʁonɛ̃g
gɾɪ̃slɑ̃
gʁonɛ̃g
gɾɪ̃slɑ̃
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IMD it's schwa or /i/ ... /ɪ/ can't exist in stressless syllables. For example, the "e" in "before" is either schwa or /i/. I generally use the schwa.Astraios wrote:Not /i/, but schwa or /ɪ/ again.
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For the last one, is there any reason why you used U+034F COMBINING GRAPHEME JOINER? That's mostly useful for collation purposes, and you're hardly collating anything. -_-Bedelato wrote:Yeah, [bɻ̩ˠd], [wɔɻˤ], [wɻ̩ˠ], [fɑɻˤ], [fɔɻ̩] (unstressed [f͏ɻˠ]).
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quiet
quite
quite
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Quiet: [kʷʰajɨʔ]
Quite: [kʷʰaɪ̯ʔ]
Quite: [kʷʰaɪ̯ʔ]
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[kʰʍɑjəʔ]~[kʰʍɑjɪʔ]
[kʰʍæiʔ]~[kʰʍʌiʔ]
ok i may be slightly bullshitting with [kʰʍ] but there's voicelessness spreading because of the aspiration and stuff so it's somewhere between that and [kʰw] and who knows about [kʷʰ] but I don't think it's truly that at least for me.
and the [ʔ] varies with [tʼ] and some other /t/ allophones depending on how slowly i pronounce it.
[kʰʍæiʔ]~[kʰʍʌiʔ]
ok i may be slightly bullshitting with [kʰʍ] but there's voicelessness spreading because of the aspiration and stuff so it's somewhere between that and [kʰw] and who knows about [kʷʰ] but I don't think it's truly that at least for me.
and the [ʔ] varies with [tʼ] and some other /t/ allophones depending on how slowly i pronounce it.
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[f͏ɻˠ]? Huh. Who knew Zalgo was a language nerd?Bedelato wrote:Yeah, [bɻ̩ˠd], [wɔɻˤ], [wɻ̩ˠ], [fɑɻˤ], [fɔɻ̩] (unstressed [f͏ɻˠ]).Bob Johnson wrote:What do you have for <bird>?Bedelato wrote:for me it produces a minimal pair barred /bɑɹd/ vs. bard /bʌɹd/
Do <warrior> and <worrier> contrast? <war> and <were>? <far> and <for>?
quiet: [kʰʷəːɪʕ] or [kʰʷɑɪjɪt]
quite: [kʰʷəɪt]
I am nerd, hear me /ɹoʊɹ/!
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I believe you have a typo here. /ʕ/ is the pharyngeal approximant/fricative, and here you must be trying to transcribe the glottal stop, which is written /ʔ/. They're very close in appearance, but sound vastly different so it's a bad thing to get them confused.Nate wrote: quiet: [kʰʷəːɪʕ] or [kʰʷɑɪjɪt]
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I knew I'd make a mistake. Thanks for the correction. I'll keep it in mind. ^^;Theta wrote:I believe you have a typo here. /ʕ/ is the pharyngeal approximant/fricative, and here you must be trying to transcribe the glottal stop, which is written /ʔ/. They're very close in appearance, but sound vastly different so it's a bad thing to get them confused.Nate wrote: quiet: [kʰʷəːɪʕ] or [kʰʷɑɪjɪt]
I am nerd, hear me /ɹoʊɹ/!
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quiet: /ˈkwae̯ɪt/ > [ˈkʰwae̯ɨʔ]
quite: /ˈkwəe̯t/ > [ˈkʰwə̆ĕ̯ʔ]
About the cluster /kw/, I close to simply represent it as [kʰw], as the light devoicing of the /w/ is readily implicit here, whereas marking it as [kʰʍ] specifies that a significant degree of frication is present which is not so. This /kw/ clearly contrasts with, say, my (and many others') /kl/, in which a marked degree of velar frication is present, e.g. my [kʰxʟ̞] or [kʰxɰ] therefor.
And of course I do have a moderate degree of allophony of the final /t/ in each of these, like how finlay mentioned; I just figure that is understood by anyone familiar with English phonology, and considering that the [ʔ] realization is most common in my dialect, I decided to default to that.
quite: /ˈkwəe̯t/ > [ˈkʰwə̆ĕ̯ʔ]
About the cluster /kw/, I close to simply represent it as [kʰw], as the light devoicing of the /w/ is readily implicit here, whereas marking it as [kʰʍ] specifies that a significant degree of frication is present which is not so. This /kw/ clearly contrasts with, say, my (and many others') /kl/, in which a marked degree of velar frication is present, e.g. my [kʰxʟ̞] or [kʰxɰ] therefor.
And of course I do have a moderate degree of allophony of the final /t/ in each of these, like how finlay mentioned; I just figure that is understood by anyone familiar with English phonology, and considering that the [ʔ] realization is most common in my dialect, I decided to default to that.
Dibotahamdn duthma jallni agaynni ra hgitn lakrhmi.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.
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Aha! I knew somebody had to (mostly) merge them, I've seen far too many mixups in writing.Nate wrote:quiet: [kʰʷəːɪʕ] or [kʰʷɑɪjɪt]
quite: [kʰʷəɪt]
For me it's
<quite> /kwaɪt/ one syllable
<quiet> /kwaɪ.Vt/ two where V is either /ɪ/ or /ə/, they wouldn't contrast there anyway
also with the predictable final /t/~[t]~[ʔ] stuff
hmm, that /kw/ can surface as anything from [kʷʰʍ] to [kw], seems free variation