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Quick case terminology question

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How should I call a specialized locative case that marks distance from the marked noun? E.g.

house-CASE
"far from the house"

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Ablative IMO.
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Vardelm wrote:Ablative IMO.
AFAIK ablative denotes direction, not location.

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abessive, dessive

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Bob Johnson wrote:abessive, dessive

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I never heard of "dessive" before.
I thought "abessive" had more to do with "doing without", "absence", etc.; more the opposite of comitative.
But you might be right FAIK.
Do you have a reference (preferably a URL)?

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Proculative?
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TomHChappell wrote:I never heard of "dessive" before.
I thought "abessive" had more to do with "doing without", "absence", etc.; more the opposite of comitative.
the __essive names are all based on the preposition+esse verbs, and both ab+esse and de+esse can mean "be away from"
abessive has a bunch of different meanings already, why not add another

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I nominate "longessive".
Ulrike Meinhof wrote:Proculative?
I doubt it.

Most "-lative" cases have to do with movement to or toward or away from something. "-late" comes from a suppletively irregular Latin verb "Fero, Ferre, Tuli, Latus" meaning to bear or to carry; translate and relate and collate, transfer and refer and confer, and tolerate, all are related to that root.

Cases having to do with just being somewhere are likely to have names ending with "-essive". "Proculessive" might do.

But for all I know you're right.

I can't find either "proculative" or "dessive" mentioned elsewhere online except as mistakes.

Since "ab-" and "de-" are Latin prepositions translated "from", perhaps "abessive" or perhaps "dessive" would be right.


so "proculessive" or "longessive" might do.

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EDIT: Bob ninja'ed part of this post.
Bob Johnson wrote:the __essive names are all based on the preposition+esse verbs, and both ab+esse and de+esse can mean "be away from" abessive has a bunch of different meanings already, why not add another

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Although proculessive sounds quite cool, I think I'll stick with abessive for now.

(If anyone's interested, I'm using this for a protolang particle that may become an actual morphological case in a couple of the daughter languages.)

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What about "evitative", that which is or was or will be avoided, or that which must be avoided, or that which the agent tried or intended (or tries or intends, or will try or will intend) to avoid?
Could that be a meaning of your abessive case?

Though "evitative" is also the name of a modality or mode or mood; the one that in English is signaled by "lest".

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close to: proximal
far from: distal

Feel free to add "tive" endings if it makes you more comfortable.
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