Looking for unusual phonemes

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Nortaneous wrote:
Echobeats wrote:Speaking of r-coloured vowels, how about vowels co-articulated with [ʀ] (as opposed to [ɹ])? You could call them "gargled vowels", and derive them from historic V+/ʀ/.
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Well, Wikipedia describes the trill component as being epiglottal there, so it's not quite the same thing.

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Eandil wrote:
Miekko wrote:One unusual phoneme would be /d/ (where this is an arbitrary symbol for the phoneme), consisting at least of the allophones , [d], [g], and maybe even [G].

Is that attested? The closest thing I know is Hawai'ian /k~t/.


That's exactly what I'm looking for - rarely attested, uncommon and unattested but conceivable phonemes I could use to suggest a slightly non-human language.
(Though I won't use them all at once - I think I'll pick one or two suggestions per language or even per family).

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Qwynegold wrote:Heh, I was gonna suggest retroflex ejectives and implosives, but that's already covered. Well, how about a bilabial percussive or whistled ingressive fricatives?
Ambrisio wrote:By "lateral nasal" do you mean a nasalized lateral? I have heard retroflex nasalized laterals many times from Indian singers (as in 1:34 in this video). It is a very distinctive sound.
It sounds like he's saying "prata mindre, hora" (talk less, whore).
Where? (The actual phonemes near 1:34 are /kɐɾɐ ðrɯd̪̥ɐ d̪ɐɭ̃ɖɐ kɐmɐɭ̃ɖɐlu ma:ləw̃/). This would make quite an interesting mondegreen.

Also, what language is that? Swedish? And how exactly would one pronounce "prata mindre, hora"?

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Feles wrote:BTW, what are the percussives?
Open your mouth wide and slap your lips together like you are a gold fish: bilabial percussive.

Put your tongue as though you were going to do a retroflex, then slap it down against the floor of your mouth: sublingual percussive.

(Don't try this) gnash your teeth: bidental percussive.



Also I might add, ejective aleovelar trill, voiced or unvoiced.
linguoboy wrote:So that's what it looks like when the master satirist is moistened by his own moutarde.

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I think I finally figured it out. 0:20 in the video sounds like "prata mindre, hora". And 0:26 sounds even more like it.

BTW: Even though I don't speak Swedish, this just made my day.

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2+3 clusivity wrote:
Feles wrote:BTW, what are the percussives?
Open your mouth wide and slap your lips together like you are a gold fish: bilabial percussive.

Put your tongue as though you were going to do a retroflex, then slap it down against the floor of your mouth: sublingual percussive.

(Don't try this) gnash your teeth: bidental percussive.
Slap your tongue against your other tongue" bilingual percussive.
If you just produced that, please see a doctor.
Also I might add, ejective aleovelar trill, voiced....
wut?

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[quote/]Slap your tongue against your other tongue" bilingual percussive.
If you just produced that, please see a doctor.[/quote]

[quote/]Put your tongue as though you were going to do a retroflex, then slap it down against the floor of your mouth: sublingual percussive.[/quote]

Those are not the same thing


And regarding the voicing on an ejective trill, you're correct. Still ejective trill!
linguoboy wrote:So that's what it looks like when the master satirist is moistened by his own moutarde.

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2+3 clusivity wrote:
Those are not the same thing
did I say they were?

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Whistled sibilants, Syllabic fricatives
Whatever the sounds are when you lay the tongue's tip in the rear of the teeth and inhale forcefully (either the weird ingressive tongue-snort or the totally attractive sucking sounds.)

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