Akana Conlang Relay 2011 (The Never Ending Relay)

[Wattmann]

^Doesn't Team 1 need to finish their daughterlangs first?

I'm not making a descendant language now, just doing comparative brute-forcing

[Corumayas]

On the other hand, I was on IRC (briefly) this morning and Corumayas suggested having a Team 1 people and language invade the Team 2 peninsula; Cedh was also interested in working out contact scenarios between his language and Caedes' Wokatasuto. Are people going to be interested and available for collaborative work? I certainly will be by next week

I have to admit that I'm more interested than available (even though I suggested the idea)... that is, I too am quite busy, and for me that's not likely to change anytime soon. But I really would like to do this, so I'll try to make time for it (and to get on IRC more often than I usually have been).

I'm not sure I understand how that could be done without having all the involved projects reasonably completed and made public? Otherwise, great idea!

I'm not sure how it would work either, but I think we should be able to figure something out. You may be right that actual language interaction will have to wait until everyone's languages are more complete; but I don't think there's any reason not to start discussing possible historical scenarios now.

I'd suggest marking such words explicitly as "loans" in our lexicons.

For - indeed, consider the Macro-Anatolionesian loans in Team 2 languages. I'm afraid they may be really misleading - like, provoke reconstructing some fake sound correspondences &like.

Surely that's just another part of the challenge? At least in the case of Macro-Anatolionesian, the proto-lexicon is already published; that ought to give us a good chance of identifying those loans.

I'm not making a descendant language now, just doing comparative brute-forcing

Wattmann, do you mean that you're not planning to make a Team 1 language at all? (I think that's perfectly fine if it's what you'd like to do, I'm just wondering.)

[Wattmann]

I'm not making a descendant language now, just doing comparative brute-forcing

Wattmann, do you mean that you're not planning to make a Team 1 language at all? (I think that's perfectly fine if it's what you'd like to do, I'm just wondering.)

I'll maybe do one a bit down the line, but it's currently not that high on my priority list, since I'm already making a descendant-lang (out of PGmc)
I'm feeling that I could contribute more with my reconstructions rather than derivations.

[Pogostick Man]

I am now on Spring Break and currently plan to have a least a preliminary article on my daughterlang up by the end of this week, preferably by Friday.

[communistplot]

I'm feelin' kinda lonely.

[Lyhoko Leaci]

I am dropping out, I really can't seem to concentrate on making any conlangs right now...

[caedes]

Sorry that I have been so inactive in the past months, but I had other things to do (especially for school) and this will not change for the next 2 weeks or so. However, this does not mean I had silently dropped out or had lost my interest in the project or anything. I just need more time.

And by the way, I like the style of the T1 languages. =)

[caedes]

Just for the lulz, I'd like to post some things here I recognized when comparing the nominal morphology stuff already available of the T1 languages. I don't know if we should do the reconstruction thing here or on the Akana forum, but I guess it'd be interesting to the other ZBBers to follow the discussion ...

Both languages show definite articles that are attached to the head noun:
Cednìtıt -co,-ca (SG); -ncu, -nca (PL)
Teyétáti -ti/-tì

Animacy in both languages is indicated by morphemes including characteristic o/u/* ANIM and a INANIM.

*See also Teyetátí ø̀-/w- 3rd.SG.ANIM.

Plural is marked by morphemes including n, which always precedes the characteristic animacy vowel. Also: the definite article in Cednìtıt -ncu < *n-u=ca

And I guess the relativizer ca in Cednìtıt is actually of the same origin as the definite article, which would mean in the proto language modifiers could precede and follow the modified noun. This could be proven by the personal prefixes in Teyétáti containing the plural marker *n, which follows the noun in Cednìtıt.

In both languages, there's a three case system with NOM (*-Ø), ACC (*-an?) and OBL (*-u?).

[the duke of nuke]

I'm in exams - I'm not dropping out, but consider this a definite hiatus for at least three weeks.

[treskro]

Just for the lulz, I'd like to post some things here I recognized when comparing the nominal morphology stuff already available of the T1 languages. I don't know if we should do the reconstruction thing here or on the Akana forum, but I guess it'd be interesting to the other ZBBers to follow the discussion ...

Both languages show definite articles that are attached to the head noun:
Cednìtıt -co,-ca (SG); -ncu, -nca (PL)
Teyétáti -ti/-tì

Animacy in both languages is indicated by morphemes including characteristic o/u/* ANIM and a INANIM.

*See also Teyetátí ø̀-/w- 3rd.SG.ANIM.

Plural is marked by morphemes including n, which always precedes the characteristic animacy vowel. Also: the definite article in Cednìtıt -ncu < *n-u=ca

And I guess the relativizer ca in Cednìtıt is actually of the same origin as the definite article, which would mean in the proto language modifiers could precede and follow the modified noun. This could be proven by the personal prefixes in Teyétáti containing the plural marker *n, which follows the noun in Cednìtıt.

In both languages, there's a three case system with NOM (*-Ø), ACC (*-an?) and OBL (*-u?).

fun fun

[treskro]

Is the wiki down right now? I haven't been able to access it for a couple days.

[Cedh]

Is the wiki down right now? I haven't been able to access it for a couple days.

Yes. No need to worry though; the wiki just needs to be moved to a different server. TzirTzi is already working on this. I'm sure he'll report about the current state of affairs soon (either here or in the Cursed Relay thread).

[Cedh]

Well, the wiki is up again. It's now hosted at

http://akana.conlang.org/

We've taken the opportunity to upgrade to the newest version of MediaWiki. This means that the stylesheet will need to be adapted a bit. In the meantime, the wiki looks slightly less polished, but everything seems to be working. A few categorization edits which I made last weekend were lost during the change, but these can easily be redone, and I don't think anyone else posted something substantial after May 3 (the date of the database dump). Anyway, you can go and write about your relay languages again!

We've also moved the forum over to http://akana.conlang.org/forum/, so update your bookmarks.

[communistplot]

Yay! Because posting about Cäzad on my tumblr would become a headache after a while.

[brandrinn]

Where can I see the Team 1 languages?

[communistplot]

Some of mine is here & treskro's is here.

[the duke of nuke]

Fantastic And the wiki's already back to its old look.

I'm now done with exams, so although I'm not completely free from work I should be able to do more on Katatuti - including the lexicon, which has been in Development Hell for literally months.

[Wattmann]

I might be dropping out since I've absolutely forgotten about this!

[Cedh]

Where can I see the Team 1 languages?

Progress report: My language still doesn't have a name, but it does have a fairly complete description of nominal morphology now.

[Pogostick Man]

I'm still around, just haven't done much with the relay due to finals. It's been summer break for a little over two weeks now, though, so I should be able to get back to this soon…

[Cedh]

I spent an entire month reconstructing the phoneme inventory of the opposite team and the morphology, and what I did almost didn't register

If you mean that nobody really reacted to your efforts, that's because you were too early. I noticed what you wrote about your findings, but I didn't comment on them because the reconstruction phase should start only after both teams would have published "a sufficient amount of material". Of course, ...

It's a real pain in the ass getting people to do anything in these games. Seven months ago I uploaded a basic sketch of a language and that is so far the most extensive data anyone in that game has published.

...only brandrinn's Team 2 managed to put up several daughterlanguage sketches quickly (but hasn't expanded them much since), while my own Team 1 has been working much more slowly, in part because it took us much longer to come up with a protolang to start from, in part because this protolang has turned out to be not so easy to work with, and in part because of time constraints. I have been working on this project very steadily for over half a year, but I rarely have more than a few hours per week available for conlanging these days. The game is not dead yet though; I expect that one or two months from now there will be enough information on at least three Team 1 languages that at least a partial reconstruction of our protolang should be possible.

I would like to suggest that both teams should make an effort to really flesh out our daughterlanguages over the next few months, and that we set an official start date for the reconstruction phase. A suitable and realistic date IMO would be November 10th, exactly one year after Caleone started the game thread.

Me wants.

I believe a few people should actually still be able to join the existing game at this point. If we start the reconstruction phase in November, that leaves three and a half months to come up with a daughterlang, which should be enough if you're able to work focusedly.

[Pole, the]

What can I do? How can I join?

[Wattmann]

I have lost my account XP
My old e-mail failed out and I opened a new one on gmail

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Can I also join?

[Cedh]

What can I do? How can I join?

Can I also join?

Create an account for yourself at the AkanaForum, and report back here so I can add you to one of the teams (this must be done manually after the account has been created, and is a prerequisite for you being able to read the respective team's private discussion board). After that, you can familiarize yourself with your team's protolanguage (which is linked from and/or described on the private board) and start thinking about sound shifts and grammatical changes for your descendant language. You can discuss ideas for your daughterlang or ask questions about the protolang on the private board without the other team seeing it. It might also be a good idea to visit the [url=irc://irc.sorcery.net/akana]#akana IRC channel[/url] for real time discussion, but it's often rather quiet, and you can't talk about your team's languages in detail if members of the other team are there too.

At least one of you can definitely join my own Team 1. Our protolang isn't all that easy to work with, but quite interesting IMO. (There's some out-of-date info on our private board, so if you don't want to drown in that I can offer some orientation via IRC.)
I can't speak for the other team - you'd have to ask e.g. Thedukeofnuke, Dunomapuka, or Basilius -, but I imagine they should also be able to accept a new member. Alternatively, I guess Team 1 could probably accommodate both of you.

I have lost my account XP
My old e-mail failed out and I opened a new one on gmail

Does that mean you can't access the board currently?