Clicks and codas
Clicks and codas
1. articulatory - it's too hard to make clicks in coda positions
2. perceptibility - they don't sound like they belong to the previous syllable and so interfere with perception of word boundaries
3. sonority - clicks are (apparently) the least sonorous of all sounds, and the sonority sequencing principle (or an extension thereof) won't allow codas to fall to such a low level of sonority. Perhaps connected with the point about them not being easily perceived as belonging to the previous word
4. historical - maybe they originated from a reduction of clusters that couldn't occur in coda position
5. coincidental - languages with clicks tend to have few codas anyway, so it might just be that they are low on the list of good codas and so never appear even though it's not in general impossible
Any ideas?
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And that presumably then they would pattern phonologically as obstruents of low(est) sonority?
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Also, I'm not sure what you mean about complex contours being unusual with respect to strict CV syllable structure; you mean they don't allow consonant clusters but allow complex contours (presumably the mixed voicing combinations and the contour clicks) which might have developed from them? I'm not sure why that should be atypical - clusters reduced to something closer to CV, giving a complex C (or is that the atypical part since usually languages delete to simplify?). Also, at least some Khoesan and other click languages do allow onset clusters though, and AFAIK the clusters don't violate the sonority sequencing principle. Have I misunderstood something?
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I mean that in Khoesan the distinction between "consonant cluster" and "contour segment" becomes very blurry.Mâq Lar wrote:Also, I'm not sure what you mean about complex contours being unusual with respect to strict CV syllable structure; you mean they don't allow consonant clusters but allow complex contours (presumably the mixed voicing combinations and the contour clicks) which might have developed from them?
The complex C's are only present word-initially, though. Usually if a language only tentatively allows consonant clusters then they are ambisyllabic, combining a codic "VC" with an initial "CV", which Khoesan disallows.I'm not sure why that should be atypical - clusters reduced to something closer to CV, giving a complex C (or is that the atypical part since usually languages delete to simplify?).
It's atypical in that the only initial clusters (if they are clusters) allowed are obstruent-obstruent clusters like <tχ>, <gkx'>, or <gǂq>, without allowing any clusters (initial or otherwise) that are obstruent-sonorant or sonorant-obstruent.Also, at least some Khoesan and other click languages do allow onset clusters though, and AFAIK the clusters don't violate the sonority sequencing principle. Have I misunderstood something?
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Although I'm not sure that sonority is not a useful idea when it comes to Khoesan; I googled and found this PhD thesis on Khoekhoe; the author describes the restrictions on root initial and and root medial consonants in terms of sonority: root initial, clitic initial and root medial consonants in both Khoekhoe and ǃXóõ are correlated with 'strength' in roughly that order. So root initial is the only position with the 'strongest' (least sonorant) sounds - clicks - and it lacks the most sonorant sounds (approximant). Medial position is the reverse - it only has more sonorant sounds (nasals and approximants). (Clitic initial position is somewhere between the two - onsets don't allow the highest and lowest sonority consonants, so no clicks or approximants). (The table from the paper is hiding in the 'more')
So it seems that clicks just pattern as rare, marked, extra-low sonority/extra-high strength consonants; with the preference for initial position over medial and the non-occurring coda position coming from the cross linguistically common sonority shape of syllables (onsets are preferably low sonority, codas are high) and the language-specific preference of Khoesan for marked features at left-edges.
Theoretically then, a language could be expected ('expected' is a strong word; it just wouldn't be an impossibility) to have coda clicks (albeit probably with lower frequency than the other consonants) if it had very permissive phonotactics across the board - no restrictions on minimum sonority of codas in particular, or an Arrernte-like preference for codas maybe. The only problem I could see with that would be perceptive - a listener might naturally parse coda clicks as onsets of the following word. Maybe it would only be practical in a language with strict CV(C) order, or where coda clicks appear pre-pausally, with allophones in other positions. Hmmmmmm
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Although that wouldn't entirely explain the other marked features surfacing at the left edges of words though
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Really? That's quite interesting! Do you have any further reading on this or links to video/audio where this is happening?Mâq Lar wrote:Cross-morpheme /t.k/ clusters in German are occasionally realised as clicks
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Just this paper. Maybe Google or YouTube would turn up some recordingsalynnidalar wrote:
Really? That's quite interesting! Do you have any further reading on this or links to video/audio where this is happening?
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