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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 8:48 am 
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Hi !
We have a February topic. So why not doing one about names of month that don't come from the too famous latin names...
I discovered years ago, that croatian (but not serbian) uses typical names for months and after that, I've found a quite nice list. Sometimes latin and typical names are used both, sometimes not. Somtimes also, latin and typical names coexist. find latin name, it's quite easy !!!
Correct me if there are errors...

This is what I have:

Croatian Serbian uses latin names
siječanj, veljača, o?ujak, travanj, svibanj, lipanj, srpanj, kolovoz, rujan, listopad, studeni, prosinac

Slovenian Also uses latin names
prosinec, svečan, ?u?ec, mali traven, veliki traven, ro?nik, mali srpan, veliki srpan, kimovec, vinotok, listopad, gruden

Czech
leden, ?nor, březen, duben, květen, červen, červenec, srpen, z?ř?, ř?jen, listopad, prosinec

Polish
styczeń, luty, marzec, kwiecień, maj, czerwiec, lipiec, sierpień, wrzesień, październik, listopad, grudzień

Byelorussian
cтyдзeнь, люты, caкaвiк, кpacaвiк, тpaвeнь, чэpвeнь, лiпeнь, жнивeнь, вepaceнь, кacтpычнiк, лicтaпaд, cьнeжaнь

Ukrainian also uses lat(in names
ciчeнь, лютий, бepeзeнь, квiтeнь, тpaвeнь, чepвeнь, лiпeнь, cepпeнь, вepeceнь, жoвтeнь, лиcтoпaд, гpyдeнь

Lithuanian but Latvian uses latin names
sausis, vasaris, kovas, balandis, gegu?ė, bir?elis, liepas, rugpjūtis, rugsėjis, spalis, lapkritis, gruodis

Albanian
kallnuer, fruar/shkurt, mars, prill, maj, qershor, korrik, gusht, shtator, tetor, n?ntor, dhjetor/fruer

Euskera
urtarril, otsail, martxo, apiril, maiatz, ekain, uztail, abuztu, irail, urri, azaro, abendu

Breton
genver, c'houevrer, meurzh, ebrel, mae, mezheven, gouere (?), eost, gwangolo, here, du, kerzu

Welsh
ionawr, chwefror, mawrth, ebrill, mai, mehefin, gorphenaf, awst, medi, hydref, tachwedd, rhagfyr

Irish
ean?ir, feabhra, m?rta, aibre?n, bealtaine, meitheamh, i?il, l?nasa, me?n f?mhair, deireadh, f?mhair, samhain, nollaig

Scottish Gaelic
faoilteach, gearran, m?rt, giblean, c?itean, t-?g-mhios, t-iuchar (?), l?nasdal, t-sultainn, damhar, t-samhainn, d?dlachd

French In use during the French Revolution and Napoleon's Empire. Called "Republican Calendary"
niv?se, pluvi?se, vent?se, germinal, flor?al, prairial, messidor, thermidor, fructidor, vend?miaire, brumaire, frimaire
Being French, I'd like to use those names again... although I'm not particularily fan of Napoleon !!!

Romanian Uses latin names but these names also existed, they sometimes strangely remember Republican Calendary... would it be inspired by it?
gerar (?) (could be made on "januarium" or "ger" (freeze), făurar, mărţişor, prier, florar, cireşar, cuptor, secerar, vinicer, brumar, frunzar, ningău

Turkish
ocak, şubat, mart, nisan, mayıs, haziran, temmuz, ağustos, eyl?l, ekim, kasım, aralık

Uzbek Also uses Muslim calendar
jaddi, dalv, hut, hamal, savr, javzo, seraton, asat, sumbula, mezon, aqrab, qavs

Kazakh Idem
qangtar, aqpan, naw?r?z, k?kek, mam?r, maws?m, shilde, tamez, qerk?yek, qazan, qarasha, jeltoqsan

Khowar/Chitrali
pheting, ghor ghor, aliyan, shadagh, boye, ronzuk, yugh, muzhe, khumpach, kishman, chanchori, thungshal

Finnish
tammikuu, helmikuu, maaliskuu, huhtikuu, toukokuu, kes?kuu, hein?kuu, elokuu, syyskuu, lokakuu, marraskuu, joulukuu

Can someone complete this list?? I know some language like Japanese or Chinese have other systems too but it's just too much, I've limited my search to Europe and some little part of Asia....
We can also start to speak about it, and try to compare/explain etymologies etc etc. I think it can be interesting, don't you think too?

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gach already gave the North Sami months; I can supply some of the others. Don't know the etymologies, unfortunately.

Western
Lule Sami: ?d?jakm?nno, guovvam?nno, sjnjuktjam?nno, vuoratjism?nno, moarmesm?nno, biehtsem?nno, sjnjilltjam?nno, b?rggem?nno, rag?tm?nno, g?lg?dism?nno, bas?dism?nno, javllam?nno
South Sami: ts?engele, goevte, njoktje, voerhtje, suehpede, ruffie, snjaltje, m?etske, sk?erede, golke, rahka, goeve

Eastern
Inari Sami: uđđ?ivem??nu, kuov?m??nu, njuhč?m??nu, cu?ŋuim??nu, vyesim??nu, kesim??nu, syeinim??nu, porgem??nu, čohč?m??nu, roovv?dm??nu, skamm?m??nu, juovl?m??nu
Skolt Sami: ođđee?jjm??n, t??lvvm??n, p??zzl??ttamm??n, njuhččm??n, vue?ssm??n, ǩie?ssm??n, suei?nnm??n, p??rǧǧm??n, č?hččm??n, k?lggm??n, skamm'm??n, rosttovm?

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The old Hebrews (pre-exile) used ordinals, but they adopted the babylonian (or whatever Euphrates-Tigris area civilisation that was current back then) month names:

Nissan - c.a March-April
Iyar - count months onwards
Sivan
Tammuz
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Marvelous. Where did you get these other S?mi months? Interesting BTW the correspondance of Lule S?mi sjnj- with the nj- in the other langs.


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I'll just add a few things to Hlewagastiz's Romanian etymologies:
cuptor (< lat. *coctorium) is colloquial for 'extreme heat, heatwave'.
secerar (<lat. sicilare), similar to pop. Greek θεριστής. (secer@ = sickle)
frunz@ < lat. frondia <frons, -ndis

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