Non English Orthography Reform

[Birdlang]

Make new orthographies for natlangs
I will start
Spanish
/m n J/ m n ń
/p t k b d g/ p t k b d g
/f B T D s G X/ f v ś ź s ł h
/4 r j l w/ ÿ r j l w
/tS/ č
/a e E i o O u/ a e ē i o ō u
Un pojo estoj en la kučina.
Cōreÿ ēn ēl bańo!

[vokzhen]

/T D G/ ś ź ł
/4/ ÿ

Whyyyyy.

Also distinguishing predictable but context-dependent allophones (b/v d/ź g/ł) (warranted again: WHYYYYYY?) seems counter to the intent of most reform, giving words different spellings depending on which word precedes it. I mean, down the line that might cause consonant mutation or something, but as it is now it seems needlessly complex.

[xroox]

Un pojo estoj en la kučina.
Cōreÿ ēn ēl bańo!

<A chicken I'm in the kitchen
To run in the bathroom!>

What did you want to say?
Did you meant "Un pollo está en la cocina" "¡Corre al baño!"? (/un ˈpojo esˈta en la koˈsina/ /ˈkore al ˈbaɲo/)

/a e E i o O u/ a e ē i o ō u

As a native speaker I find very difficult to tell apart [e] and [o] from [ɛ] and [ɔ]... and I'm studying linguistics (shame on me)

If this were the current spanish ortography we'd have to learn when to use <ē, ō> and <e, o> by heart.

[vokzhen]

My assumption there is that he was distinguishing the "normal" /e o/ from the [ɛ ɔ] some European dialects have in syllables with debuccalized s: los > loh > lɔh. According to Wikipedia, it can even trigger vowel harmony and results in a phonemic split: todo [toðo] but todos [tɔðɔ]. However, while marking the "special" pronunciation with a diacritic is better, I don't know why you'd go with macrons given they're usually for long (and, often, more closed) pronunciations. Grave accent seems better, if you're going to distinguish them.

[GreenBowTie]

possible idea for spanish orthography: /ie/ and /ue/ > <ë ö>

examples: yo pënso, tú pënsas, ella pënsa, nosotros pensamos, vosotros pensáis, ellas pënsan
yo söno, tú sönas, ella söna, nosotros sonamos, vosotros sonáis, ellas sönan

[Birdlang]

Make new orthographies for natlangs
I will start
Spanish
/m n J/ m n ń
/p t k b d g/ p t k b d g
/f B T D s G X/ f v ś ź s ł h
/4 r j l w/ ÿ r j l w
/tS/ č
/a e E i o O u/ a e ē i o ō u
Un pojo estoj en la kučina.
Cōreÿ ēn ēl bańo!

Based off alien language orthography. Ś and ź from Bashkir Latin Alphabet, Ł from Armenian, ÿ from an old language of mine called Pelican, which was spoken by aliens without noses.

[Birdlang]

French
/p t k b d g/ p t k b d g
/ f v s z S Z/ f v s z š ž
/m n J/ m n ń
/tS dZ/ č ÿ
/l j H w R\/ l j y w Łł
Vowels as in IPA
Bõžur.

[jal]

I should really finish and post my reform for Dutch. No time now however.


JAL

[ol bofosh]

Spanish
Nothing particularly different, just ironing out the irregularities (going with a Peninsula spin).
/m n ɲ/ <m n ñ>
/p b t tʃ k/ <p b t c k>
/β f θ ð s x ɣ/ <b f z d s j g>
/l ʎ/ <l ll>
/ɾ r/ <r rr> (as now, word-initial /r/ is represented by a single 'r')
/j w/ <i u> (except in the case of /uj/ which is represented by <uy> to distinguish it from /wi/<ui>)
/a e i o u/

<h> remains silent and is used to distinguish hiatus from dipthongs.
Rules of stress remain the same.

The alphabet should look like this: a b c d e f g h i j k l l m n ñ o p r s t u y z

Estói akí macakando la eskritura española.

But there's something better already. Just search for the Hunta d'ehkritoreh n'Andalú (¡mola un montón!)

I might get on with my own version of French orthography...

[Porphyrogenitos]

Obviously not my own, but we have to give an honorable mention to the classic Bello orthography for Spanish:

El jeneral i el rrei están qomiendo gindas i zerdo en la qasa del ombre.

[Birdlang]

Obviously not my own, but we have to give an honorable mention to the classic Bello orthography for Spanish:

El jeneral i el rrei están qomiendo gindas i zerdo en la qasa del ombre.

That looks like really awesome Spanish, I wish it was spelled this way FOREVER!

[Birdlang]

possible idea for spanish orthography: /ie/ and /ue/ > <ë ö>

examples: yo pënso, tú pënsas, ella pënsa, nosotros pensamos, vosotros pensáis, ellas pënsan
yo söno, tú sönas, ella söna, nosotros sonamos, vosotros sonáis, ellas sönan

Would the irregularly stressed versions have a double acute?

[Birdlang]

My orthography for Hawaiian would be the same but the glottal stop would be an uppercase and lowercase glottal stop letter.

[Nortaneous]

Fë domestikadha en el altiplano andino por sus avitantes hathe unos 7000 anjos, i mas tardhe fë xhevadha a Europa por los konkistadhores espanjoles komo una kurjosidhadh botanika mas ke komo una planta alimentithja. Su konsumo fë krethjendo i su kultivo se ekspandjo a todho el mundo asta kombertirse oj dija en uno de los printhipales alimentos para el ser umano.

[Birdlang]

That is a cool Albanian based Spanish orthography. What does ë stand for?

[Birdlang]

My assumption there is that he was distinguishing the "normal" /e o/ from the [ɛ ɔ] some European dialects have in syllables with debuccalized s: los > loh > lɔh. According to Wikipedia, it can even trigger vowel harmony and results in a phonemic split: todo [toðo] but todos [tɔðɔ]. However, while marking the "special" pronunciation with a diacritic is better, I don't know why you'd go with macrons given they're usually for long (and, often, more closed) pronunciations. Grave accent seems better, if you're going to distinguish them.

That is what I mean, and Mwotlap uses ē for I and ō for U.

[ol bofosh]

That is a cool Albanian based Spanish orthography. What does ë stand for?

/we/ I reckon,

[Birdlang]

OK. I thought it was that sound. But in some Spanish European dialects, there is the near mid O and E, causing vowel harmony in some cases.

[Daedolon]

Portuguese

/m n ɲ/ <m n ñ>
/p b t d (tʃ) k g/ <p b t d tc k g>
/f v s z ʃ ʒ/ <f v s z c j>
/w j l ʎ ʀ ɾ/ <ü y l lh rh r>

/i u e o ɛ ɔ ɐ a/ <i u e o è ò a à>
/ĩ ẽ ɐ̃ õ ũ/ <ĩ ẽ ã õ ũ>
/ɐ̃ĩ õĩ ũĩ ɐ̃ũ/ <ãĩ õĩ ũĩ ãũ>
+ stress <í ú é ó ê ô á â>

Òla, komu vày?
U terhitôriu dẽtru das frõtayras atuàys da Rhèpúblika Purtugeza tãy sidu kõtinuamẽte puvuàdu desde us tẽpus prêystòrikus: òkupàdu pur sèltas, komu us galàykus i us luzitanus, foy ĩtegràdu na Rhèpúblika Rhumana i màys tàrde kulunizàdu pur pòvus jermánikus, komu us suèvus i us vizigòdus.

[communistplot]

Romanian <Limba Romȃnă/Limba Romynȃ>

/m n/ <m n>
/p b t d k g/ <p b t d c g>
/ts tʃ dʒ/ <ţ č ǧ>
/f v s z ʃ ʒ h/ <f v s z š ž h>
/r l/ <r l>
/ʲ/ <j>

/i ɨ u/ <i y u>
/e ə o/ <e ȃ o>
/a/ <a>

Toate fjinţele umane se nasc libere ši egale yn demnitate ši yn drepturi. Ele sunt ynzestrate cu raţiune ši conštjinţȃ ši trebuje sȃ se comporte unele faţȃ de altele yn spiritul fraternitȃţji.

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Romansh

/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n ñ ng>
/p b t d k ɡ/ <p b t d c g>
/ts tʃ tɕ dʑ/ <ţ ć č ǧ>
/f v s z ʃ ʒ ç h/ <f v s z š ž ç h>
/l r ʎ/ <l r lj>
/j/ <j>

/i y u/ <i y u>
/e ø o/ <e ø o>
/ɛ ɔ/ <ȇ ȏ>
/a/ <a>

Tuoţ umans našan libers ȇd eguals in dignita ȇ dreţ. Els sun dotaţ cun intelȇt ȇ conšcjenţa ȇ desan agir per in uin spjert da fraternita.

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Venetian

/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n ñ ng>
/p b t d ɟ k ɡ/ <p b t d dj c g>
/ts tʃ dʒ/ <ţ č ǧ>
/f v θ ð s̺ z̺ ʃ ʒ/ <f v ŝ ẑ s z š ž>
/r l j ʎ/.<r l j lj>

/i u/ <i u>
/e o/ <e o>
/ɛ ʌ ɔ/ <ȇ ȃ ȏ>
/a/ <a>

Tuti i eseri umani ze nai djiberi ȇ conpañi par diñita ȇ diriti. I ze dotai dȇ razon ȇ dȇ cosiensa ȇ i ga da conportarse i uni co i altri co spirito de fradedjansa.

[ol bofosh]

A fairly glossic (as opposed to romic) reform of French:
French
/m n ɲ/ <m n gn>
/p b t d k g/ <p b t d k g>
/f v s z ʃ ʒ ʁ/ <f v s z ch j r>
/j ɥ w/ <y~i u ou>
/l/ <l>

<h> like in my Spanish reform, this silent letter can be used to distinguish hiatus from dipthongs (possibly precedes silent letters that reapear in following words, but I'm unsure about that)

/i y u/ <i u ou>
/e ø ə o/ <e~é eu e o>
/ɛ œ ɔ/ <ai oe o>
/ɛ̃ ɔ̃/ <ẽ õ>
/a/ <a>
/ɑ̃/ <ã>

õ a laisé la fenaitr ouvairt (something from Wiki)

[Birdlang]

/m n ɲ ŋ/ m n ñ ng
/p t t͡ʃ k ʔ/ p t č k '
/b d ɖ d͡ʒ g/ b d dr ž g
/(v) s ʂ h/ v (in loanwords) s z h
/w j/ w y
/ɺ̢ / r
Original: Na:nse ʼe:da, mo: hek jeweḍ ʼu:d si we:coc, ma:ṣ hek Taḏai siskeg ʼu:d ʼuʼuhig. Hek ʼaʼanac c wopo:c si wo skegac c ʼep si cecwac. Kuṣ ʼam hebai hai ki g ʼOʼodham ṣam ʼoʼoidam k ʼam ʼupam da:da k ʼam ce: ma:ṣ he:kai cu hek ha na:da. ʼI:dam ʼOʼodham ṣam ʼeh he:mapa k ʼam aʼaga ma:ṣ has ma:sma vo bei hek na:da ʼab ʼamjeḍ hek Tatañki Jioṣ. Ṣa biʼi ʼa ma:ṣ mo ka:ke hek Taḏai ma:ṣ mo me:tk ʼamo ta:i hek na:da ha we:hejeḍ ʼi:dam ʼOʼodham. Taḏai ṣa: ma so:hi ma:ṣ mo me:ḍk ʼamo ta:i g na:da hek Tatañki Jioṣ. Tho ṣud me:tkam, ʼam “si ʼi nai:ṣ hek wo:gk” k gau mel ma:ṣ ʼam ki g Tatañki Jioṣ.
Now: naanse edaa moo hek jewedr uud si weečoč... I can't do the whole thing
Guess what language this is.

[communistplot]

French, Spanish, & Portuguese in the vein of my other Romance reforms.

/m n ɲ/ <m n ñ>
/p b t d k g/ <p b t d c g>
/f v s z ʃ ʒ ʁ/ <f v s z š ž r>
/j ɥ w/ <j ẅ w>
/l/ <l>

syllabic r <ŕ>

/i y u/ <i y u>
/e ø ə o/ <e ø ȃ o>
/ɛ œ ɔ/ <ȇ œ ȏ>
/ɛ̃ ɔ̃/ <ę ǫ>
/a/ <a>
/ɑ̃/ <ą>

Tu lȇz etrež umę nȇsą libŕ ȇ egȏ ȇn diñite ȇ ȇn drwa. Ilz sǫ due dȇ rȇzǫ ȇ dȇ cǫsjąs ȇ dwavą ažir lȇz ǫ ęver lȇz ȏtŕ dąs ǫ ȇpri dȇ fratȇnite.

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Portuguese

/m n ɲ/ <m n ñ>
/p b t d (tʃ) k g/ <p b t d č c g>
/f v s z ʃ ʒ/ <f v s z š ž>
/w j l ʎ ʀ ɾ/ <w j l lj rh r>

/i u e o ɛ ɔ ɐ a/ <i u e o ȇ ȏ a ȃ>
/ĩ ẽ ɐ̃ õ ũ/ <į ę ą ǫ ų>
/ɐ̃ĩ õĩ ũĩ ɐ̃ũ/ <ąi ǫi ųi ąu>
+ stress <í ú é ó è ò á à>

Todos os seriz umȃnuš nasę livrȇs ȇ igwaiš ę dignidadi ȇ direitoš. Sąu dotaduš di rhaząu ȇ cǫsjęsja ȇ dȇvę ažir ę rhelasąu ųs auš otruš cǫ ȇspiritu di fratȇrnidadi.

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Spanish

/m n ɲ/ <m n ñ>
/p b t tʃ k/ <p b t č c>
/β f θ ð s x ɣ/ <v f ŝ z s ç g>
/l ʎ/ <l lj>
/ɾ r/ <r rh>
/j w/ <j w>

/a e i o u/ <a e i o u>

Tozos los seres umanos naŝen libres e igwales en dignizad i derečos i, dotazos como estan de rhason i consjensja, deven comportarse fraternalmente los unos con los otros.

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And I'll throw in Wallonian for free

/m n ɲ/ <m n ñ>
/p b t d k ɡ/ <p b t d c g>
/f v s z ʃ ʒ h/ <f v s z š ž h>
/tʃ dʒ/ <č ǧ>
/l ʀ/ <l r>
/w j/ <w j>

/i iː y yː u uː/ <i í y ý u ú>
/e eː oː/ <e é o>
/ɛ ɛː œ œː ɔ ɔː/ <ȇ ê œ œ́ ȏ ô>
/a aː/ <a á>
/ẽ œ̃ ɔ̃/ <ę ą ǫ>

Toz lez ǫ vine stá mǫd líp, ȇ so l mą pi po su ciné d lœ diñité ȇ d lœ drú. L n sǫ nǫ fú rézǫ ȇ z ǫt i lú cǫsjąs po zȇl, su celze dú minȇr a scidur ǫk po l ot to cǫ dȇ frȇ.

[Birdlang]

French, Spanish, & Portuguese in the vein of my other Romance reforms.

/m n ɲ/ <m n ñ>
/p b t d k g/ <p b t d c g>
/f v s z ʃ ʒ ʁ/ <f v s z š ž r>
/j ɥ w/ <j ẅ w>
/l/ <l>

syllabic r <ŕ>

/i y u/ <i y u>
/e ø ə o/ <e ø ȃ o>
/ɛ œ ɔ/ <ȇ œ ȏ>
/ɛ̃ ɔ̃/ <ę ǫ>
/a/ <a>
/ɑ̃/ <ą>

Tu lȇz etrež umę nȇsą libŕ ȇ egȏ ȇn diñite ȇ ȇn drwa. Ilz sǫ due dȇ rȇzǫ ȇ dȇ cǫsjąs ȇ dwavą ažir lȇz ǫ ęver lȇz ȏtŕ dąs ǫ ȇpri dȇ fratȇnite.

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Portuguese

/m n ɲ/ <m n ñ>
/p b t d (tʃ) k g/ <p b t d č c g>
/f v s z ʃ ʒ/ <f v s z š ž>
/w j l ʎ ʀ ɾ/ <w j l lj rh r>

/i u e o ɛ ɔ ɐ a/ <i u e o ȇ ȏ a ȃ>
/ĩ ẽ ɐ̃ õ ũ/ <į ę ą ǫ ų>
/ɐ̃ĩ õĩ ũĩ ɐ̃ũ/ <ąi ǫi ųi ąu>
+ stress <í ú é ó è ò á à>

Todos os seriz umȃnuš nasę livrȇs ȇ igwaiš ę dignidadi ȇ direitoš. Sąu dotaduš di rhaząu ȇ cǫsjęsja ȇ dȇvę ažir ę rhelasąu ųs auš otruš cǫ ȇspiritu di fratȇrnidadi.

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Spanish

/m n ɲ/ <m n ñ>
/p b t tʃ k/ <p b t č c>
/β f θ ð s x ɣ/ <v f ŝ z s ç g>
/l ʎ/ <l lj>
/ɾ r/ <r rh>
/j w/ <j w>

/a e i o u/ <a e i o u>

Tozos los seres umanos naŝen libres e igwales en dignizad i derečos i, dotazos como estan de rhason i consjensja, deven comportarse fraternalmente los unos con los otros.

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And I'll throw in Wallonian for free

/m n ɲ/ <m n ñ>
/p b t d k ɡ/ <p b t d c g>
/f v s z ʃ ʒ h/ <f v s z š ž h>
/tʃ dʒ/ <č ǧ>
/l ʀ/ <l r>
/w j/ <w j>

/i iː y yː u uː/ <i í y ý u ú>
/e eː oː/ <e é o>
/ɛ ɛː œ œː ɔ ɔː/ <ȇ ê œ œ́ ȏ ô>
/a aː/ <a á>
/ẽ œ̃ ɔ̃/ <ę ą ǫ>

Toz lez ǫ vine stá mǫd líp, ȇ so l mą pi po su ciné d lœ diñité ȇ d lœ drú. L n sǫ nǫ fú rézǫ ȇ z ǫt i lú cǫsjąs po zȇl, su celze dú minȇr a scidur ǫk po l ot to cǫ dȇ frȇ.

What about Georgian and Armenian. I like how you use Wynn for the voiced velar fricative.

[Dē Graut Bʉr]

Are you saying that Georgian and Armenian have suddenly become Romance languages or something?