Well, Wikipedia describes the trill component as being epiglottal there, so it's not quite the same thing.Nortaneous wrote:ANADEWEchobeats wrote:Speaking of r-coloured vowels, how about vowels co-articulated with [ʀ] (as opposed to [ɹ])? You could call them "gargled vowels", and derive them from historic V+/ʀ/.
Looking for unusual phonemes
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Eandil wrote:Miekko wrote:One unusual phoneme would be /d/ (where this is an arbitrary symbol for the phoneme), consisting at least of the allophones , [d], [g], and maybe even [G].
Is that attested? The closest thing I know is Hawai'ian /k~t/.
That's exactly what I'm looking for - rarely attested, uncommon and unattested but conceivable phonemes I could use to suggest a slightly non-human language.
(Though I won't use them all at once - I think I'll pick one or two suggestions per language or even per family).
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Where? (The actual phonemes near 1:34 are /kɐɾɐ ðrɯd̪̥ɐ d̪ɐɭ̃ɖɐ kɐmɐɭ̃ɖɐlu ma:ləw̃/). This would make quite an interesting mondegreen.Qwynegold wrote:Heh, I was gonna suggest retroflex ejectives and implosives, but that's already covered. Well, how about a bilabial percussive or whistled ingressive fricatives?
It sounds like he's saying "prata mindre, hora" (talk less, whore).Ambrisio wrote:By "lateral nasal" do you mean a nasalized lateral? I have heard retroflex nasalized laterals many times from Indian singers (as in 1:34 in this video). It is a very distinctive sound.
Also, what language is that? Swedish? And how exactly would one pronounce "prata mindre, hora"?
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Open your mouth wide and slap your lips together like you are a gold fish: bilabial percussive.Feles wrote:BTW, what are the percussives?
Put your tongue as though you were going to do a retroflex, then slap it down against the floor of your mouth: sublingual percussive.
(Don't try this) gnash your teeth: bidental percussive.
Also I might add, ejective aleovelar trill, voiced or unvoiced.
linguoboy wrote:So that's what it looks like when the master satirist is moistened by his own moutarde.
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I think I finally figured it out. 0:20 in the video sounds like "prata mindre, hora". And 0:26 sounds even more like it.
BTW: Even though I don't speak Swedish, this just made my day.
BTW: Even though I don't speak Swedish, this just made my day.
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Slap your tongue against your other tongue" bilingual percussive.2+3 clusivity wrote:Open your mouth wide and slap your lips together like you are a gold fish: bilabial percussive.Feles wrote:BTW, what are the percussives?
Put your tongue as though you were going to do a retroflex, then slap it down against the floor of your mouth: sublingual percussive.
(Don't try this) gnash your teeth: bidental percussive.
If you just produced that, please see a doctor.
wut?Also I might add, ejective aleovelar trill, voiced....
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[quote/]Slap your tongue against your other tongue" bilingual percussive.
If you just produced that, please see a doctor.[/quote]
[quote/]Put your tongue as though you were going to do a retroflex, then slap it down against the floor of your mouth: sublingual percussive.[/quote]
Those are not the same thing
And regarding the voicing on an ejective trill, you're correct. Still ejective trill!
If you just produced that, please see a doctor.[/quote]
[quote/]Put your tongue as though you were going to do a retroflex, then slap it down against the floor of your mouth: sublingual percussive.[/quote]
Those are not the same thing
And regarding the voicing on an ejective trill, you're correct. Still ejective trill!
linguoboy wrote:So that's what it looks like when the master satirist is moistened by his own moutarde.
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did I say they were?2+3 clusivity wrote:
Those are not the same thing
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Whistled sibilants, Syllabic fricatives
Whatever the sounds are when you lay the tongue's tip in the rear of the teeth and inhale forcefully (either the weird ingressive tongue-snort or the totally attractive sucking sounds.)
Whatever the sounds are when you lay the tongue's tip in the rear of the teeth and inhale forcefully (either the weird ingressive tongue-snort or the totally attractive sucking sounds.)

