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Falu kilo, davum varo Romanar hurga ra da...
[ˈfalu ˈkilo | ˈdavum ˈvaːɹɾo ˈɹɾomanaːɹɾ ˈhuːɹɢa ˈɹɾa da]
but with | only that Roman-ORIGINADJ language 1SG hold
Well, I only have the one romlang...

Zu kan, Hurga ker Maja ra icakn!
[ˈzu kan | ˈhuːɹɢa kɛːɹɾ ˈmaja ɹɾa ˈit͡ʃakn̩]
from for | language of maja 1SG show
So, here's Maja!

Nil cal kemui ra hurgrion da.
[ˈnil t͡ʃal ˈkemui ɹɾa ˈhuːɹɢɾion da]
not more thing-PL 1SG speak-CONT hold
I have nothing more to say.
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Adúljôžal ônal kol ví éža únah kex yaxlr gmlĥ hôga jô ônal kru ansu frú.
Ansu frú ônal savel zaš gmlĥ a vek Adúljôžal vé jaga čaþ kex.
Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh.

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Ang tahuay narānjas roman.
AT have-NEG-1S.T language-PL-P Romance
I don't have (any) Romance languages.
Matrix wrote:kɛːɹɾ
How's that different from [ɹd]?
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Hwai pauk pleu.
1 be.additional lack
Me neither.

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Hallow XIII wrote:Џештеьаш!
[dʲeʃtʲe˥jaʃ]
Objection!*

Ѥмлѩйат ѥхаўҍаћиҫ шпаҫарквҍалтытҍємнэьуйҍуранавѧшаровҍамшаттыҫєт.
[æ̃˥lʲɑjat æçawa˥tʃiç ʃpaθa˞kva˩ɫtˠytˠɶ̃˥nøjuju˥ɾanavɔʃaɾovã˥ʃatʃyθøtˠ]
Ѥмлѩ-йа-ат ѥха-ўаћиҫ шпат-арк-валт-ит-ѥмне-йуйура-авѧша-ровамша-ат-ти-тет
Language-TOP.PL all-3PL.POSS preverb.state of mind-EVID.experience-be bad.stat-REL-always-create.IMPV-sufficient-romance-PL-3SG.O-3PL.A
I think it's bad enough that everyone makes romance languages all the time...

...Тейеьѩь ѧрҫувам шпаҫоърѧнынш. Ѥмлѩйа џаь итѥлтевам ѧъровҍамшаты!
[tʲe˥jejɑː ɔ˞˥θuvã ʃpaθoː˥ɾɔnynʃ | æ̃˥lʲɑja dʲaj itʲæ˥ltʲvã ɔːrovã˥ʃatˠy]
Тейе-ѩъ ѧрҫу-вам шпаҫ-оърѧн-ин-ш. Ѥмлѩ-йа џаь ит-ѥлте-вам ѧъ-ровамша-ти
say-VN other-ADV preverb.state of mind-great-PROX-1PS.A. language-TOP one CONJ-end-ADV NEG-romance-3PS.A
In other words, this is great! Finally, a language that's not romance!

*highly calqued on English and not at all 'natural'
calattwsaida pirryc ban bacc ḩengg?
the hell is that orthography doing?
Siöö jandeng raiglin zåbei tandiüłåd;
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Hallow XIII wrote:Џештеьаш!
[dʲeʃtʲe˥jaʃ]
Objection!*

Ѥмлѩйат ѥхаўҍаћиҫ шпаҫарквҍалтытҍємнэьуйҍуранавѧшаровҍамшаттыҫєт.
[æ̃˥lʲɑjat æçawa˥tʃiç ʃpaθa˞kva˩ɫtˠytˠɶ̃˥nøjuju˥ɾanavɔʃaɾovã˥ʃatʃyθøtˠ]
Ѥмлѩ-йа-ат ѥха-ўаћиҫ шпат-арк-валт-ит-ѥмне-йуйура-авѧша-ровамша-ат-ти-тет
Language-TOP.PL all-3PL.POSS preverb.state of mind-EVID.experience-be bad.stat-REL-always-create.IMPV-sufficient-romance-PL-3SG.O-3PL.A
I think it's bad enough that everyone makes romance languages all the time...

...Тейеьѩь ѧрҫувам шпаҫоърѧнынш. Ѥмлѩйа џаь итѥлтевам ѧъровҍамшаты!
[tʲe˥jejɑː ɔ˞˥θuvã ʃpaθoː˥ɾɔnynʃ | æ̃˥lʲɑja dʲaj itʲæ˥ltʲvã ɔːrovã˥ʃatˠy]
Тейе-ѩъ ѧрҫу-вам шпаҫ-оърѧн-ин-ш. Ѥмлѩ-йа џаь ит-ѥлте-вам ѧъ-ровамша-ти
say-VN other-ADV preverb.state of mind-great-PROX-1PS.A. language-TOP one CONJ-end-ADV NEG-romance-3PS.A
In other words, this is great! Finally, a language that's not romance!

*highly calqued on English and not at all 'natural'
Ai potsil mai nyu langwit sun. Dlen yu noul
I shall post my new language soon. Then you will know.
It was about time I changed this.

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Oizhà. Is tarmant na È dui ve ghete èu macasatze eu bretat. 100% Targaryen.
She is. The very end of And Now His Watch Is Ended was fucking awesome. 100% Targaryen.
Vālenkotamanga episodim ahau mava jīrena rāmplasma. Ahau raḷarejńa seram rāmplusmo ḍrikaṣma, yā
By far the best episode I have seen in my life. I mean I had to see it again 5 times, yeah! (it was fucken awesome and I agree with you)
Talāṃ leya kalakena rāmah, saktalām peha leya bhūmena ca.
See a world in a grain of sand, and a heaven in a wild flower.
Omkāṃs tava sutvantayam pharo, 'naiṃ le' jeś ca.
Hold infinity in the palm of your hand, and eternity in an hour.

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Hallow XIII wrote:шпаҫарквҍалтытҍємнэьуйҍуранавѧшаровҍамшаттыҫєт
PH33R!

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Jipí wrote:
Hallow XIII wrote:шпаҫарквҍалтытҍємнэьуйҍуранавѧшаровҍамшаттыҫєт
PH33R!
it's not the large words, it's that it totally ignores cyrillic conventions and uses archaic and regional letters that in reality would never be used. cyrillic letters are much more set in the values they can take than latin letters are. <ы> /y/?
Siöö jandeng raiglin zåbei tandiüłåd;
nää džunnfin kukuch vklaivei sivei tåd.
Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei.

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Yeah, the yery = /y/ thing happened because I misread ɤ for y. Also, as for ignoring cyrillic conventions, okay, fine. Maybe I shouldn't have used the iotated vowels. But it was so nice and systematic! What you might have the most reason to complain about is the use of the semisoft sign to indicate pitch accent. Well quite frankly diacritics are bad enough in Latin text and they are even worse in Cyrillic text.
Nortaneous wrote:YOUR ORTHOGRAPHY SUCKS
Then why not try your hand at it in the challenge thread?
陳第 wrote:蓋時有古今,地有南北;字有更革,音有轉移,亦勢所必至。
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Hallow XIII wrote:Then why not try your hand at it in the challenge thread?
post the phonology and i will
Siöö jandeng raiglin zåbei tandiüłåd;
nää džunnfin kukuch vklaivei sivei tåd.
Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei.

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E mukury'eċo purãdõ rãŋguwaci!
[e mɯkɯɾyʔecʰo pɯɾãdõ ɾãŋgɯwaci]
1.NOM CONT-create new language
I'm creating a new language!

Iċor ũtotã, õ zaŋj ruẋ, iċor ũtoraṫuto.
[icʰoɾ ɯ̃totã | õ zaŋʲ ɾɯqʰ | icʰoɾ ɯ̃toɾatʰɯto]
3=be not=done | so DEF-thing=2 look | 3=be not=last
It's not done yet, so what you see here is not final.

Jũtokãkeṫ rwam zaŋ iċor pȫ, jeṫ?
[jɯ̃tokãketʰ ɾʷam zaŋ icʰoɾ põː | jetʰ]
2=not=can=guess from DEF-thing 3=be born | yes
Can you guess what it's descended from?
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Adúljôžal ônal kol ví éža únah kex yaxlr gmlĥ hôga jô ônal kru ansu frú.
Ansu frú ônal savel zaš gmlĥ a vek Adúljôžal vé jaga čaþ kex.
Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh.

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Hallow XIII wrote:Џештеьаш!
[dʲeʃtʲe˥jaʃ]
Objection!*

Ѥмлѩйат ѥхаўҍаћиҫ шпаҫарквҍалтытҍємнэьуйҍуранавѧшаровҍамшаттыҫєт.
[æ̃˥lʲɑjat æçawa˥tʃiç ʃpaθa˞kva˩ɫtˠytˠɶ̃˥nøjuju˥ɾanavɔʃaɾovã˥ʃatʃyθøtˠ]
Ѥмлѩ-йа-ат ѥха-ўаћиҫ шпат-арк-валт-ит-ѥмне-йуйура-авѧша-ровамша-ат-ти-тет
Language-TOP.PL all-3PL.POSS preverb.state of mind-EVID.experience-be bad.stat-REL-always-create.IMPV-sufficient-romance-PL-3SG.O-3PL.A
I think it's bad enough that everyone makes romance languages all the time...

...Тейеьѩь ѧрҫувам шпаҫоърѧнынш. Ѥмлѩйа џаь итѥлтевам ѧъровҍамшаты!
[tʲe˥jejɑː ɔ˞˥θuvã ʃpaθoː˥ɾɔnynʃ | æ̃˥lʲɑja dʲaj itʲæ˥ltʲvã ɔːrovã˥ʃatˠy]
Тейе-ѩъ ѧрҫу-вам шпаҫ-оърѧн-ин-ш. Ѥмлѩ-йа џаь ит-ѥлте-вам ѧъ-ровамша-ти
say-VN other-ADV preverb.state of mind-great-PROX-1PS.A. language-TOP one CONJ-end-ADV NEG-romance-3PS.A
In other words, this is great! Finally, a language that's not romance!

*highly calqued on English and not at all 'natural'
Khana iṣar Rōmattē chentiḥ naṣtiṭiṃ. Ralaŋgatte chentiggattekha iyeṇṇe luñjanā.
khana iṣaḥ Rōmaḥ-tē-Ø centiḥ-Ø naṣti-ṭiṃ-Ø. ralaṃ-gaḥ-te chentiḥ-gaḥ-te=kha iyeṃ-ṇe luñja-nā.
1SG.ERG one Rome-GEN-ABS.F language-ABS.F create-PST-3. other-PL-ERG.F language-PL-ERG.F=1SG.POSS nothing-DIR.M come.PL-3.
I've only created one Romance language. My other conlangs are a priori.
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Matrix wrote:E mukury'eċo purãdõ rãŋguwaci!
[e mɯkɯɾyʔecʰo pɯɾãdõ ɾãŋgɯwaci]
1.NOM CONT-create new language
I'm creating a new language!

Iċor ũtotã, õ zaŋj ruẋ, iċor ũtoraṫuto.
[icʰoɾ ɯ̃totã | õ zaŋʲ ɾɯqʰ | icʰoɾ ɯ̃toɾatʰɯto]
3=be not=done | so DEF-thing=2 look | 3=be not=last
It's not done yet, so what you see here is not final.

Jũtokãkeṫ rwam zaŋ iċor pȫ, jeṫ?
[jɯ̃tokãketʰ ɾʷam zaŋ icʰoɾ põː | jetʰ]
2=not=can=guess from DEF-thing 3=be born | yes
Can you guess what it's descended from?
english
Siöö jandeng raiglin zåbei tandiüłåd;
nää džunnfin kukuch vklaivei sivei tåd.
Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei.

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Hallow XIII wrote:Yeah, the yery = /y/ thing happened because I misread ɤ for y. Also, as for ignoring cyrillic conventions, okay, fine. Maybe I shouldn't have used the iotated vowels. But it was so nice and systematic! What you might have the most reason to complain about is the use of the semisoft sign to indicate pitch accent. Well quite frankly diacritics are bad enough in Latin text and they are even worse in Cyrillic text.
as nort said, cyrillic is much more set in its phonetic values, and the soviet government didn't really care about internal consistency when they were giving a new alphabet for all the linguistic communities that got one, so they wouldn't try to make it balance or anything like that, and they'd probably just drop pitch accent from the orthography altogether (it's as important as stress, and we don't mark that).

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finlay wrote:(it's as important as stress, and we don't mark that).
and neither does russian!
Siöö jandeng raiglin zåbei tandiüłåd;
nää džunnfin kukuch vklaivei sivei tåd.
Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei.

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Matrix wrote: Can you guess what it's descended from?
English, easy
Slava, čĭstŭ, hrabrostĭ!

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Dewrad wrote:Khana iṣar Rōmattē chentiḥ naṣtiṭiṃ. Ralaŋgatte chentiggattekha iyeṇṇe luñjanā.
khana iṣaḥ Rōmaḥ-tē-Ø centiḥ-Ø naṣti-ṭiṃ-Ø. ralaṃ-gaḥ-te chentiḥ-gaḥ-te=kha iyeṃ-ṇe luñja-nā.
1SG.ERG one Rome-GEN-ABS.F language-ABS.F create-PST-3. other-PL-ERG.F language-PL-ERG.F=1SG.POSS nothing-DIR.M come.PL-3.
I've only created one Romance language. My other conlangs are a priori.
Thaha chvaranthad manal cvathasalal romenirinilil.
ESTAR-1SG:P make-VN-ABL one-LOC langauge-LOC-LOC Romance-LOC-LOC
I have made one Romance language.

Thacha silinthid tathal hal.
ESTAR-2SG:P see-VN-ABL it-LOC here
You have seen it here.

Mar Elbirin sa nadraganas man.
but Elvish SER-3S:P interesting-CMP 1SG:DAT
But Old Albic is more interesting to me.

EDIT: Fixed a few errors.
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Ó fattu lembe romanésce pómo funt de wocawla nélla lemba tautésca. Quéstu e "Lemba romana", scritta néllo modo tautésco, parcè li falonte de quésta lemba no la scriwu, ma usu la lemba ladina o la lemba tautésca pómo lembe scritte.
I've made Romance languages as source languages for words in Tautisca. This is "Lemba romana", written as per Tautisca conventions, because the speakers of this language don't write it, but use Latin or Tautisca as written languages.
Ceit lymb lyta eula "Ilan". La lyta ylymb eicri cyneicritir prour.
This language is called "Ilan". It's a written language with its own orthography.
There's a third Romance language on Tarra, Məda:n, but I don't have even a basic morphology for it yet, right now its just a "naming language".

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Jèu san val stanclo, però vògl jeçtar. Ond, jèu n'ènd sai rèn- çò sèmbla que drocarà.
I'm bloody tired, but I want to go out. Where I don't know: it looks like it's going to piss it down.
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Sno al-innu, ma atut fag al-Catredal al-Cantiburi thu. An-allen!
No a' wynn, adwdd ddw me aw vag a' Chatredaw a' Gwantyburi. A' ngelan!
No a' luin, my atiut a' wach a' Gwetridiaw a' Gwantyiburi hure. Na lan!
Today I went to see the Cathedral of Canterbury. Very beautiful!

Just a bunch of fantasy ersatz Celtic tongue

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Ín tavei zíðaztr ðíkiré vérá hlekadá.
Those last two seem to be related.

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KathAveara wrote:Ín tavei zíðaztr ðíkiré vérá hlekadá.
Those last two seem to be related.
Porma attu.
first-F.SG.NOM also.
The first one as well.

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hwhatting wrote:
KathAveara wrote:Ín tavei zíðaztr ðíkiré vérá hlekadá.
Those last two seem to be related.
Porma attu.
first-F.SG.NOM also.
The first one as well.
Zanr myók.
Very true.

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KathAveara wrote:
hwhatting wrote:
KathAveara wrote:Ín tavei zíðaztr ðíkiré vérá hlekadá.
Those last two seem to be related.
Porma attu.
first-F.SG.NOM also.
The first one as well.
Zanr myók.
Very true.
Yasyàd lébaoşau hemeno.
[ja.sjɜd ˈleːbauɬau xɛmːnɔ]
yas-làd léb<ao>s-a-u hem-eno
this-three pretty-<AUGM>-COP-ABS feel-and

And all three look really neat.
疏我啲英文同語言學一樣咁屎!
[sɔː˥ ŋɔː˩˧ tiː˥ jɪŋ˥mɐn˧˥ tʰʊŋ˩ jyː˩˧jiːn˩hɔk̚˨ jɐt̚˥jœːŋ˧ kɐm˧ siː˧˥]
sor(ry) 1.SG POSS English and linguistics same DEM.ADJ shit

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Nac ma stant maig da-me al-puniath the - homa agaisc at-teanan al-Arape is al-githan al-Calananon al-Celton the.
NEG 1PS can-1PS to.declare for-1PS the-originality is - 3PP combination the-rule.PL the-Arabic.GEN and the-word.PL the-language.PL.GEN the-Celt-PL.GEN is.
Ddan nag me aw mech, gwá we d'mi a' bwniodd - agadd we wm a' tyni a-l'Arabi y a' giddi a' Gwani a' Gwelddi.
Can NEG 1PS to claim, that is for.1PS the-originality - combination is 3PP the-rule.PL the-Arabic and the-word.PL the-language.PL the-Celt.PL
Nag my shan a' myg, gwo 'ere a' bonyos dym - 'ere agwos homme a' tonneyow a' n-Arabyon is a' gwisyow a' Gwonneyon a' Gweldyon
NEG 1PS can-1PS to claim, that is the-originality at.1PS - is combination 3PP the-rule.PL the-Arabic.GEN and the-word.PL the-language-PL.GEN the Celt.PL.GEN

I cannot claim originality - they are a combination of the grammar of Arabic and the vocabulary of the Celtic Languages.

(plus minor, random grammar, lexical and sound-changes introduced by me for variety and interestingness)

I'm also working on a haphazard mashing of French and Swahili. This is an exercise in fantasy more than reality.

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