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I actually left out /ɪ/ and /ʊ/ because I was considering them short versions of /iː/ and /uː/, but if I count them as vowels in their own right, and indicate the mid vowels more clearly, then I end up with this:


Maybe this could be represented as:

I don't really know.

No. Short vowel systems aren't whole vowel systems. You aren't going to not have /a/, but you can say it's raised a bit from cardinal position or whatever. I'd expect it to be fronted though, but nobody said it had to be stable. Also that color scheme is a pain in the ass. The harmony is fine though.

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This is a short vowel system, though, hence the
The long vowels are
Light: /ɑ: o: u:/
Dark: /ɛ: ɔ: ʊ:/
Shadow: /e~ ̙e: i:~ɪ:/
I've labeled allophones where they are conditioned by vowel harmony. /ɑ:/ is a bit fronter than in English, and /ɛ:/ is really somewhere between /æ:/ and it's cardinal position.

My, uh, Romlang has this vowel system ^

Anything cool I can do with that? I was thinking something like stressed ɛ>e and the rest to a, and stressed ɔ>o with the rest to ɒ, but I dunno.

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Y'could put in a chain shift ɒ>ɔ>o>u>y, and end up with Portuguese+/y/.

Didn't Latin have T6R in its monophthongs (EDIT: Or was "I don't know of any languages where this appears in nature" directed at S6R?)?

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Huh? No, Latin just had the normal five vowels (long and short), no front rounded vowels.

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Then what was ⟨y⟩? Wiktionary seems to imply that it had a front rounded vowel. I think Wheelock did too, but I don't have my Wheelock on hand atm.

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Quoting Wikipedia's article onhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin spelling and pronunciation

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Yeah, Latin had a front rounded vowel, and aspirated stops, in the same way that English has nasal vowels, uvular rhotics, palatal fricatives, front rounded vowels and so on.

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as though her heart was brook: Why, why, why! Weh, O weh
I'se so silly to be flowing but I no canna stay!

may be more analogous to how English has /x/. That is, significant enough to be listed in phonology charts as a loan phoneme, but absent from most speech. Also,

That's an allophone of /hj/IMD, not something people only say when they're trying to pretend to know German or w/e.

More like nasal vowels, I'd say. At least IME/IMI, /x/ only crops up in a tiny number of rare words (only ones I can think of off-hand are 'loch' and 'Fach'), and a very small number of personal and placenames. Nasal vowels, on the other hand, are a lot more frequent and more common (avant-garde, restaraunt, genre, entourage, penchant, etc) though still only used in loanwords and only used by certain speakers (probably more speakers, however, than go to the effort of pronouncing /x/, I should say). Just because you realise a cluster a certain way in certain circumstances doesn't make it a single phoneme, nor the same phoneme as occurs in certain loanwords outside of those circumstances!

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as though her heart was brook: Why, why, why! Weh, O weh
I'se so silly to be flowing but I no canna stay!

Whether Thai is recorded as having /ɯ ɤ/ or /ɨ ə/ seems to be more a matter of tradition and available fonts than of phonetics.

/a ɛ i o u ɤ/

^ Bulgarian

Unstressed e and o are collapsing into i and u. Unstressed a into ɐ which many speakers are merging with ɤ. So our unstressed vowel system will probably be /i u ə/ before too long, providing you your hypothetical 3Td

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These all came from a protolang inventory of /a e i o u/ and here's how.

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... UGHHH!!! This is practically a license to make up vowel systems or vowels changes by throwing darts at the IPA table.

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...you don't do this (metaphorically speaking)?

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Well, er, yes. That's always how it's been, with the implicit understanding that you have to be good enough to explain your dartboard vowels with diachronics.

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That also answers the Himmaswa question: the vowel system there is pretty much the same as Hiw, if you count /ɔo̯/ as /o/ and ignore /u/-fronting.

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Neat. Also I suspect that in a future form of Himmaswa, the long version of /ø/, realized as [ʏœ̯], will eventually become /y/. The raising gradually happened in my speech by accident.

Yes, I assumed that was assumed.

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Oh, yes of course, at the end of the day conlanging is a creative--perhaps artistic process--wherein you throw darts at the IPA table unless you are working a posteriori. I was just lamenting that natlangs often show you that diachronic changes can be seemingly/arguably near random (read: VERY messy) at times.

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Why? These changes make perfect sense.

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I hate to agree with Hollow but they are

Paʀi > per
Paʀe > pær
Paʀa > par
Paʀo > pɒr
Paʀu > por

etc. to keep the distinctions present that had existed before while eliminating unstressed syllables

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