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Central Igbo:

/p pʰ pʲ pʲʰ t tʰ tɕ tɕʰ k kʰ kʷ kʷʰ ƙ͜ƥ/ <p ph py pỵ t th ty tỵ k kh kw kẉ cp>
/b bʱ bʲ bʲʱ d dʱ dʑ dʑʱ ɡ ɡʱ ɡʷ ɠ͜ɓ/ <b bh by bỵ d dh dy dỵ g gh gw cb>
/f f̃ s s̃/ <f f̨ s s̨>
/v ṽ z z̃ ɣ ɣʷ/ <v v̨ z z̨ ğ ğw>
/r r̃/ <r r̨>
/j̊ j̊̃ w̥ w̥̃ h h̃/ <ỵ y̨ ẉ w̨ h h̨>
/l j w/ <l y w>

/i ɪ e a u ʊ o ɔ/ <i ĭ e a u ŭ o ă>
/v́ v v̀/ <v vı vȷ>

I'd love to see a sample of this.
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/p pʰ pʲ pʲʰ t tʰ tɕ tɕʰ k kʰ kʷ kʷʰ ƙ͜ƥ/ <p p' pj pj' t t' tj tj' k k' kv kv' kp>
/b bʱ bʲ bʲʱ d dʱ dʑ dʑʱ ɡ ɡʱ ɡʷ ɠ͜ɓ/ <b b' bj bj' d d' dj dj' g g' gv gb>
/f f̃ s s̃/ <ph phn ss sn>
/v ṽ z z̃ ɣ ɣʷ/ <bh bhn z zn gh ghv>
/r r̃/ <r rn>
/j̊ j̊̃ w̥ w̥̃ h h̃/ <j' j'n v' v'n ' 'n>
/l j w/ <l j v>

/i ɪ e a u ʊ o ɔ/ <i ih e a u uh o oh>
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Wow, searched for a sample text and couldn't find any! There are a lot of texts for the Standard language but that doesn't have aspiration or nasalisation, which are two of the more interesting features of this phoneme inventory.
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If anyone would be so kind:

/m n ɲ ŋ/
/p t c k q/
/px tx cç kx qh/ (Not so sure about this; like aspiration, but with a velar (or closest) fricative instead of a puff of air? Not sure what to call it :/ )
/ts tɬ tɕ/
/dz dʑ/
/b d ɟ g/
/f s ɬ ɕ x h/
/v z ʑ ɣ/
/w r l j/

/ā ā: á á: à à: ī ī: í í: ì ì: ū ū: ú ú: ù ù:/

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ZMoring wrote:If anyone would be so kind:
...
I've got some ideas, but they depend on syllable structure, allowed consonant clusters, etc. If it's CV only then I've got one that only uses diacritics on vowels, but the more complex the syllable structure becomes, the more I end up using diacritics on both vowels and consonants :)
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ZMoring wrote:If anyone would be so kind:

/m n ɲ ŋ/
/p t c k q/
/px tx cç kx qh/ (Not so sure about this; like aspiration, but with a velar (or closest) fricative instead of a puff of air? Not sure what to call it :/ )
/ts tɬ tɕ/
/dz dʑ/
/b d ɟ g/
/f s ɬ ɕ x h/
/v z ʑ ɣ/
/w r l j/

/ā ā: á á: à à: ī ī: í í: ì ì: ū ū: ú ú: ù ù:/

I hate tonality. But I want to try it.
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sangi39 wrote:I've got some ideas, but they depend on syllable structure, allowed consonant clusters, etc. If it's CV only then I've got one that only uses diacritics on vowels, but the more complex the syllable structure becomes, the more I end up using diacritics on both vowels and consonants :)
I'm thinking, for now, (C)(C)V(C), but I'm not sure.
Nortaneous wrote: example text?
Not developed enough yet for an example text, sorry! I'm incapable of going forward from here without some sort of semi-convenient way to write it. My brain just doesn't work that way.
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/m n ɲ ŋ/ m n ny ng
/p t c k q/ p t c k q
/px tx cç kx qh/ ph th ch kh qh
/ts tɬ tɕ/ ts tł tš
/dz dʑ/ dz dž
/b d ɟ g/ b d j g
/f s ɬ ɕ x h/ f s ł š x h
/v z ʑ ɣ/ v z ž gh
/w r l j/ w r l y

/a i u/ a i u
/ā āː á áː à àː/ a ā á â à ǎ

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/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n ny ng>
/p t c k q/ <p t c k q>
/px tx cç kx qh/ <ph th ch kh qh>
/ts tɬ tɕ/ <ts tl ty>
/dz dʑ/ <dz dy>
/b d ɟ g/ <b d ʒ g>
/f s ɬ ɕ x h/ <f s lh sy x h>
/v z ʑ ɣ/ <v z zy gh>
/w r l j/ <w r l y>

/ā ā: á á: à à: ī ī: í í: ì ì: ū ū: ú ú: ù ù:/ <a aa ȧ á ạ a̖ e ee ė é ẹ e̖ u uu u̇ ú ụ u̖>

Ooh, can you try and post an example text as soon as you've got one? I really want to see how this looks.
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/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n ñ ng>
/p t c k q/ <p t c k q>
/px tx cç kx qh/ <ph th ch kh qh>
/ts tɬ tɕ/ <ts tl tx>
/dz dʑ/ <dz dx>
/b d ɟ g/ <b d j g>
/f s ɬ ɕ x h/ <f s hl x h hh>
/v z ʑ ɣ/ <v z xz gh>
/w r l j/ <w r l y>

/ā ā: á á: à à: ī ī: í í: ì ì: ū ū: ú ú: ù ù:/ <a a̱ á á̱ à à̱ e i é í è ì o u ó ú ò ù>

or

/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n ñ ng>
/p t c k q/ <p t c k q>
/px tx cç kx qh/ <px tx ch kx qh>
/ts tɬ tɕ/ <ȿ ƛ ƹ>
/dz dʑ/ <ɀ ʒ>
/b d ɟ g/ <b d j g>
/f s ɬ ɕ x h/ <f s ł š x h>
/v z ʑ ɣ/ <v z ž ɣ>
/w r l j/ <w r l y>

/ā ā: á á: à à: ī ī: í í: ì ì: ū ū: ú ú: ù ù:/ <a ꜳ á ꜳ́ à ꜳ̀ e i é í è ì o u ó ú ò ù>
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/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n ň ŋ>
/p t c k q/<p t ḱ k q>
/px tx cç kx qh/<px tx ḱx kx qx>
/ts tɬ tɕ/<c ć č>
/dz dʑ/<j ǰ>
/b d ɟ g/<b d ǵ g>
/f s ɬ ɕ x h/ <f s ś š x h>
/v z ʑ ɣ/<v z ž ǧ>
/w r l j/<w r l y>
/a i u/ a i u
/ā āː á áː à àː/<a aa á áá à àà>

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It is good practice to post with a sample text of at least a few words; it can even just be nonsense. Also, syllable structure and major allophones are useful. The velar aspiration is found in Navajo so it is totally okay. I will use Navajo orthography as my inspiration (with a bit of reshuffling in the stops).

/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n ny nw>
/p t c k q/ <p t ky k q>
/px tx cç kx qh/ <p' t' ky' k' q'>
/ts tɬ tɕ/ <ts tł ch>
/dz dʑ/ <dz j>
/b d ɟ g/ <b d gy g>
/f s ɬ ɕ x h/ <f s ł sh kh h>
/v z ʑ ɣ/ <v z zh gh>
/w r l j/ <w r l y>

/ā ā: á á: à à: ī ī: í í: ì ì: ū ū: ú ú: ù ù:/ <a aa á áá à àà i ii í íí ì ìì u uu ú úú ù ùù>
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/m n ɲ ŋ/ m n ny ng
/p t c k q/ p t c k q
/px tx cç kx qh/ ph th ch kh qh
/ts tɬ tɕ/ ts tl tsh
/dz dʑ/ dz dzh
/b d ɟ g/ b d j g
/f s ɬ ɕ x h/ f s lh sh kh h
/v z ʑ ɣ/ v z zh gh
/w r l j/ w r l y

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/m n ɲ ŋ/ m n ñ ŋ
/p t c k q/ p t c k q
/px tx cç kx qh/ px tx cx kx qx
/ts tɬ tɕ/ ts tł tś
/dz dʑ/ dz dź
/b d ɟ g/ b d j g
/f s ɬ ɕ x h/ f s ł ś x h
/v z ʑ ɣ/ v z ź ǵ
/w r l j/ w r l y

/ā ā: á á: à à: ī ī: í í: ì ì: ū ū: ú ú: ù ù:/ a ä á a̋ à ȁ i ï í i̋ ì ȉ u ü ú ű ù ȕ

And if two letters come together to make a sound, but shouldn't, just smack an apostrophe in there.
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/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n ń ng>
/p t c k q/ <p t ć k ḳ>
/px tx cç kx qh/ <ph th ćh kh ḳh>
/ts tɬ tɕ/ <c tł č>
/dz dʑ/ <dz dž>
/b d ɟ g/ <b d ź g>
/f s ɬ ɕ x h/ <f s ł š x h>
/v z ʑ ɣ/ <v z ž y>
/w r l j/ <w r l j>

/i u a i: u: a:/ <e o ạ i u a>
/ā ā: á á: à à:/ <ạ a ạ́ á ạ̀ à>

Apostrophes break up clusters of letters representing clusters of sounds that could otherwise be interpreted as digraphs representing single sounds, e.g. <ph> /px/ vs. <p'h> /ph/, <ng> /ŋ/ vs. <n'g> /ng/, etc. /ŋg/, however, is written <ngg>.
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/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n ñ ng>
/p t c k q/ <p t c k q>
/px tx cç kx qh/ <ph th ch kh qh>
/ts tɬ tɕ/ <ts tl tj>
/dz dʑ/ <dz dj>
/b d ɟ g/ <b d j g>
/f s ɬ ɕ x h/ <f s lh sh x h>
/v z ʑ ɣ/ <v z zh gh>
/w r l j/ <w r l y>

/ā ā: á á: à à: ī ī: í í: ì ì: ū ū: ú ú: ù ù:/ <a ạ á ạ́ à ạ̀ e i é í è ì o u ó ú ò ù>
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/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n ny ng>
/p t c k q/ <p t c k q>
/px tx cç kx qh/ <ph th ch kh qh>
/ts tɬ tɕ/ <ts tl ty>
/dz dʑ/ <dz dy>
/b d ɟ g/ <b d j g>
/f s ɬ ɕ x h/ <f s lh sy x h>
/v z ʑ ɣ/ <v z zy gh>
/w r l j/ <w~u r l y~i>
<u i> in C+/w j/+V, <w y> elsewhere

/i u a i: u: a:/ <e o ạ i u a>
/ā ā: á á: à à:/ <ạ a ạ́ á ạ̀ à>

Apostrophes break up clusters of letters representing clusters of sounds that could otherwise be interpreted as digraphs representing single sounds, e.g. <ph> /px/ vs. <p'h> /ph/, <tl> /tɬ/ vs. <t'l> /tl/, <ng> /ŋ/ vs. <n'g> /ng/, etc. /ŋg/, however, is written <ngg>.
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Something I threw together for a possible conlang:

/pʰ tʰ tsʰ tʂʰ tɕʰ kʰ/
/p t ts tʂ tɕ k q/
/t’ ts’ tʂ’ tɕ’ ʔ/
/b d dz dʐ dʑ g/
/m n/ (N)
/s ʂ ɕ x h/ (F)
/z ʐ ʑ ɦ/
/v* r l j/ (G) *[w] when next to a consonant, [v] elsewhere.

/i u a i: u: a:/

C*(G)V(:)(G/F/n/p/t/kʔ) *other than a G and no G after N
Syllable-final /n/ matches the POA of a following consonant or defaults to [n]
Syllable final F/p/t/k voice when followed by voiced consonants

Sample from awkwords:

/a:.qji: ki.tʰri:.tʰu si.qav dʑvu.tu: tsʰa.drih tsu: duʔ.ts’va:l.tu ɕa:p.qlu: tsʰa:n.xvi: kʰu:.pu.vik tʰli:n.tjuɕ tɕ’i.xut t’lu.ni: ts’ja:ɕ.ts’a:n.rah va:j duk.gra.klu: bi.ts’li: t’la:s.sju:r.pʰa tʰi tu:.ʔu ɕjir tɕʰis pax qa:r t’va: tuʔ.la:j.ɕa/
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/pʰ tʰ tsʰ tʂʰ tɕʰ kʰ/ <ph th ch ċh čh kh>
/p t ts tʂ tɕ k q/ <p t c ċ č k q>
/t’ ts’ tʂ’ tɕ’ ʔ/ <t’ c’ ċ’ č’ ’>
/b d dz dʐ dʑ g/ <b d j j ǰ g>
/m n/ <m n>
/s ʂ ɕ x h/ <s ṡ š ḵ (ḡ when voiced) h>
/z ʐ ʑ ɦ/ <z ż ž ‘>
/v r l j/ <w r l y>

/i u a i: u: a:/ <i u a í ú á> Not sure if I like accents or macrons better…

I assumed <y> counted as a voiced consonant for the purposes of allophonic voicing.

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/pʰ tʰ tsʰ tʂʰ tɕʰ kʰ/ <p t ts tr tj k>
/p t ts tʂ tɕ k q/ <b d dz dr dj g q>
/t’ ts’ tʂ’ tɕ’ ʔ/ <ṭ ṭs ṭr ṭj ḳ (or q̇)>
/b d dz dʐ dʑ g/ <ḅ ḍ ḍz ḍr ḍj ġ>
/m n/ (N) <m n>
/s ʂ ɕ x h/ (F) <s ṣ c x h> (or <sr sj> for <ṣ c>)
/z ʐ ʑ ɦ/ <z ẓ j ḥ> (or zr)
/v* r l j/ (G) *[w] when next to a consonant, [v] elsewhere. <v r l y> (r <ṛ> next to <t d>)
̣/i u a i: u: a:/ <e o a i u ạ>

C*(G)V(:)(G/F/n/p/t/kʔ) *other than a G and no G after N
Syllable-final /n/ matches the POA of a following consonant or defaults to [n]
Syllable final F/p/t/k voice when followed by voiced consonants

/a:.qji: ki.tʰri:.tʰu si.qav dʑvu.tu: tsʰa.drih tsu: duʔ.ts’va:l.tu ɕa:p.qlu: tsʰa:n.xvi: kʰu:.pu.vik tʰli:n.tjuɕ tɕ’i.xut t’lu.ni: ts’ja:ɕ.ts’a:n.rah va:j duk.gra.klu: bi.ts’li: t’la:s.sju:r.pʰa tʰi tu:.ʔu ɕjir tɕʰis pax qa:r t’va: tuʔ.la:j.ɕa/
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or

/pʰ tʰ tsʰ tʂʰ tɕʰ kʰ/ <ph th tsh txh tch kh>
/p t ts tʂ tɕ k q/ <p t ts tx tc k q>
/t’ ts’ tʂ’ tɕ’ ʔ/ <t' ts' tx' tc' '>
/b d dz dʐ dʑ g/ <b d dz drh dj g>
/m n/ (N) <m n>
/s ʂ ɕ x h/ (F) <s x c hh h>
/z ʐ ʑ ɦ/ <z rh j gh>
/v* r l j/ <w r l y>
̣/i u a i: u: a:/ <i u a ii uu aa>

/a:.qji: ki.tʰri:.tʰu si.qav dʑvu.tu: tsʰa.drih tsu: duʔ.ts’va:l.tu ɕa:p.qlu: tsʰa:n.xvi: kʰu:.pu.vik tʰli:n.tjuɕ tɕ’i.xut t’lu.ni: ts’ja:ɕ.ts’a:n.rah va:j duk.gra.klu: bi.ts’li: t’la:s.sju:r.pʰa tʰi tu:.ʔu ɕjir tɕʰis pax qa:r t’va: tuʔ.la:j.ɕa/
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Ахѕиэуѕ /ɑxd͡zieud͡z/ [ɑx.ˈd͡zʲi.e.ud͡z]
I have a cyrillization for this, but no romanization.

/m mʲ n/
<м мь н>
/p pʲ b bʲ t d dʲ ɡ ɡʲ q qʲ ʔ ʔʲ/
<п пь б бь т ԁ ԁь г гь ԛ ԛь ӏ ӏь>
/t͡s t͡sʲ d͡z d͡zʲ t͡ʃ t͡ʃʲ/
<ц ць ѕ ѕь ч чь>
/v s (ʃ ʃʲ) x xʲ ʁ ʁʲ/ (/ʃ ʃʲ/ are only found in loanwords)
<в с (ш шь) х хь ғ ғь>
/r rʲ/
<р рь>
/j/
<ј>

/i y i̠ u/
<и ү ї у>
/e ø ɘ o/
<э ӧ ӗ ё>
/e̞ o̞/
<е о>
/œ/
<ө>
/æ/
<ә>
/a ɑ ɒ/
<я а ӑ>

Allophony
  • /i̠ o e̞ a/ are realized as [ji̠ jo je̞ ja], though see uvulars below.
  • All consonants are palatalized before /i y i̠ e ø o e̞ a/.
  • /ʔ/ is realized as glottalization on a following plosive, affricate or fricative, /ʔʲ/ as glottalization and palatalization.
  • /v/ > [f] / V_#, C[-voiced]_#
  • Vowel clusters are in hiatus, but two of the same vowel form a long vowel. /i̠i oo̞ e̞e aɑ/ are realized as [ji̠ː joː je̞ː jaː].
  • Consonants may become syllabic in certain contexts.
  • Uvulars affect adjacent vowels in the same syllable the following way:
    /i/ > [e]
    /y/ > [ø]
    /e/ > [ɛ]
    /ø/ > [œ]
    /œ/ > [ɶ]
    /æ/ > [ä]
    /ɘ/ > [ɜ]
    /u/ > [o]
    /o̞/ > [ɔ̞]
    /i̠/ > [je̠]
    /e̞/ > [jæ]
    /o/ > [jɔ]
    /a/ > [jä]
  • Stress is added to the heaviest syllable in a word. A long vowel makes a syllable super heavy. Otherwise /j ʔ ʔʲ/ add one heaviness point to a syllable, and other consonants add two points. A heavy onset cluster takes precedence over a heavy coda cluster. If still several syllables have equal weight, stress is added to the first of them.
/ɑɡɡɑ ɡo̞xd͡zi̠ppom ɡo ɑo̞o̞øʁ bi̠ɡʁ t͡ʃo̞o̞ bxi̠ʔ i̠ eo̞aɒu t͡ʃo̞o̞ ɡœjœt͡ʃe̞i̠jjoɡ/
[ˈɑɡː.ɑ ɡo̞x.ˈd͡zʲji̱pʲː.jom ˈɡʲjo ɑ.ˈo̞ː.œʁ ˈbʲji̱ɡʁ ˈt͡ʃo̞ː ˈbxʲji̱ʔ ˈji̠ e.o̞.ˈja.ɒ.u ˈt͡ʃo̞ː ɡœ.jœ.ˈt͡ɕje̞.ji̠jː.joɡ]
/œo̞ aɑn d͡ztɑtd͡zt͡satt͡s o̞em tʁt͡siaøʁ t͡ʃo̞o̞ œjœumbd͡z t͡ʃo̞o̞ ɡød ɑɡo̞iɑn jo̞mœjpœe̞ ɑao̞iɑaɑu i̠ pœ ɑo̞iɑ ub qbxd͡zpœmœe̞/
[ˈœ.o̞ ˈjaːn ˈd͡ztɑt.d͡z̩.t͡sʲjat.t͡s̩ o̞.ˈem ˈtʁ̩.t͡sʲi.ja.œʁ ˈt͡ʃo̞ː œ.jœ.ˈumbd͡z ˈt͡ʃo̞ː ˈɡʲød ɑ.ˈɡo̞.i.ɑn jo̞.ˈmœj.pœ.je̞ ɑ.ja.o̞.i.ɑ.ˈjaː.u ˈji̠ ˈpœ ˈɑ.o̞.i.ɑ ˈub ˈqbx̩.d͡zpœ.mœ.je̞]
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/m mʲ n/
<m mj n>
/p pʲ b bʲ t d dʲ ɡ ɡʲ q qʲ ʔ ʔʲ/
<p pj b bj t d dj g gj q qj 1 1j>
/t͡s t͡sʲ d͡z d͡zʲ t͡ʃ t͡ʃʲ/
<c cj dz dzj ch chj>
/v s (ʃ ʃʲ) x xʲ ʁ ʁʲ/
<v~f s (š šj) x xj gh ghj>
/r rʲ/
<r rj>
/j/
<j>

/i y i̠ u/
<i ü y u>
/e ø ɘ o/
<e ö ë jo>
/e̞ o̞/
<je o>
/œ/
<ô>
/æ/
<ä>
/a ɑ ɒ/
<ja a â>

Allophony
  • /i̠ o e̞ a/ are realized as [ji̠ jo je̞ ja], though see uvulars below.
  • All consonants are palatalized before /i y i̠ e ø o e̞ a/.
  • /ʔ/ is realized as glottalization on a following plosive, affricate or fricative, /ʔʲ/ as glottalization and palatalization.
  • /v/ > [f] / V_#, C[-voiced]_#
  • Vowel clusters are in hiatus, but two of the same vowel form a long vowel. /i̠i oo̞ e̞e aɑ/ are realized as [ji̠ː joː je̞ː jaː].
  • Consonants may become syllabic in certain contexts.
  • Uvulars affect adjacent vowels in the same syllable the following way:
    /i/ > [e]
    /y/ > [ø]
    /e/ > [ɛ]
    /ø/ > [œ]
    /œ/ > [ɶ]
    /æ/ > [ä]
    /ɘ/ > [ɜ]
    /u/ > [o]
    /o̞/ > [ɔ̞]
    /i̠/ > [je̠]
    /e̞/ > [jæ]
    /o/ > [jɔ]
    /a/ > [jä]
  • Stress is added to the heaviest syllable in a word. A long vowel makes a syllable super heavy. Otherwise /j ʔ ʔʲ/ add one heaviness point to a syllable, and other consonants add two points. A heavy onset cluster takes precedence over a heavy coda cluster. If still several syllables have equal weight, stress is added to the first of them.
/ɑɡɡɑ ɡo̞xd͡zi̠ppom ɡo ɑo̞o̞øʁ bi̠ɡʁ t͡ʃo̞o̞ bxi̠ʔ i̠ eo̞aɒu t͡ʃo̞o̞ ɡœjœt͡ʃe̞i̠jjoɡ/
[ˈɑɡː.ɑ ɡo̞x.ˈd͡zʲji̱pʲː.jom ˈɡʲjo ɑ.ˈo̞ː.œʁ ˈbʲji̱ɡʁ ˈt͡ʃo̞ː ˈbxʲji̱ʔ ˈji̠ e.o̞.ˈja.ɒ.u ˈt͡ʃo̞ː ɡœ.jœ.ˈt͡ɕje̞.ijː.joɡ]
/œo̞ aɑn d͡ztɑtd͡zt͡satt͡s o̞em tʁt͡siaøʁ t͡ʃo̞o̞ œjœumbd͡z t͡ʃo̞o̞ ɡød ɑɡo̞iɑn jo̞mœjpœe̞ ɑao̞iɑaɑu i̠ pœ ɑo̞iɑ ub qbxd͡zpœmœe̞/
[ˈœ.o̞ ˈjaːn ˈd͡ztɑt.d͡z̩.t͡sʲjat.t͡s̩ o̞.ˈem ˈtʁ̩.t͡sʲi.ja.œʁ ˈt͡ʃo̞ː œ.jœ.ˈumbd͡z ˈt͡ʃo̞ː ˈɡʲød ɑ.ˈɡo̞.i.ɑn jo̞.ˈmœj.pœ.je̞ ɑ.ja.o̞.i.ɑ.ˈjaː.u ˈji̠ ˈpœ ˈɑ.o̞.i.ɑ ˈub ˈqbx̩.d͡zpœ.mœ.je̞]

Àgga goxdzyppjom gjo aooögh byggh choo bxy1 y eojaau choo gôjôchjeijjog. Ôo jaan dztatdzcjatc oem tghcijaögh choo ôjôumbdz choo göd agoian jomôjpôje ajaoiajaau y pô aoia ub qbxdzpômôje.
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Re: Romanization challenge thread

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Nortaneous wrote:/m mʲ n/
<m mj n>
/p pʲ b bʲ t d dʲ ɡ ɡʲ q qʲ ʔ ʔʲ/
<p pj b bj t d dj g gj q qj 1 1j>
/t͡s t͡sʲ d͡z d͡zʲ t͡ʃ t͡ʃʲ/
<c cj dz dzj ch chj>
/v s (ʃ ʃʲ) x xʲ ʁ ʁʲ/
<v~f s (š šj) x xj gh ghj>
/r rʲ/
<r rj>
/j/
<j>

/i y i̠ u/
<i ü y u>
/e ø ɘ o/
<e ö ë jo>
/e̞ o̞/
<je o>
/œ/
<ô>
/æ/
<ä>
/a ɑ ɒ/
<ja a â>
The use of <y> and circumflexes is interesting. But the orthography is a little ambiguous though, words like:

/pbmʲɘɡ/ - /pbmjjɘɡ/ (nearly same)
/qmbpʲo̞x/ - /qmbpjo̞x/
/ʔbʲ/ - /ʔbj/
/xo̞dʲɡo̞/ - /xo̞djɡo̞/
/xi̠ɡʲgo̞/ - /xi̠ɡjgo̞/
/d͡zi̠ɡqʲpo̞ʁ/ - /d͡zi̠ɡqjpo̞ʁ/
/d͡zøʔʲt͡st͡ʃ/ - /d͡zøʔjt͡st͡ʃ/
/mt͡sʲ/ - /mt͡sj/
/d͡zʲo̞d/ - /d͡zjo̞d/
/e̞i̠ɡɘt͡ʃʲøɡ/ - /e̞i̠ɡɘt͡ʃjøɡ/
/e̞ɡoʁʲpo̞ʁ/ - /e̞ɡoʁjpo̞ʁ/
/jop/ - /jo̞p/
/ba/ - /bjɑ/

would be spelled the same. Granted, most of the /ʲ/ vs /j/ contrasts are extremely rare, but /bʲ/ vs /bj/, and /t͡sʲ/ vs /t͡s/ happen often enough.
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Âhdzieudz

/m mʲ n/ <m ḿ n>
/p pʲ b bʲ t d dʲ ɡ ɡʲ q qʲ ʔ ʔʲ/ <p ṕ b b́ t d d́ g ǵ k ḱ q q́>
/t͡s t͡sʲ d͡z d͡zʲ t͡ʃ t͡ʃʲ/ <c ć dz dź ĉ ĉ́>
/v s ʃ ʃʲ x xʲ ʁ ʁʲ/ <v s ŝ ŝ́ h h́ x x́>
/r rʲ/ <r ŕ>
/j/ <j>

/i y i̠ u/ <i ü ı u>
/e ø ɘ o/ <é ø ê ó>
/e̞ o̞/ <e o>
/œ/ <ö>
/æ/ <ä>
/a ɑ ɒ/ <a â å>

âggâ gohdzıppóm gó âooøx bıgx ĉoo bhıq ı eoaåu ĉoo göjöĉeıjjog. Öo aân dztâtdzcatc öm txciaøx ĉoo öjöumbdz ĉoo gød âgoiân jomöjpöe âaoiâaâu ı pö âoiâ ub kbhdzpömöe.
/ɑɡɡɑ ɡo̞xd͡zi̠ppom ɡo ɑo̞o̞øʁ bi̠ɡʁ t͡ʃo̞o̞ bxi̠ʔ i̠ eo̞aɒu t͡ʃo̞o̞ ɡœjœt͡ʃe̞i̠jjoɡ/
/œo̞ aɑn d͡ztɑtd͡zt͡satt͡s o̞em tʁt͡siaøʁ t͡ʃo̞o̞ œjœumbd͡z t͡ʃo̞o̞ ɡød ɑɡo̞iɑn jo̞mœjpœe̞ ɑao̞iɑaɑu i̠ pœ ɑo̞iɑ ub qbxd͡zpœmœe̞/
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/m mʲ n/
<m ḿ n>
/p pʲ b bʲ t d dʲ ɡ ɡʲ q qʲ ʔ ʔʲ/
<p ṕ b b́ t d d́ g ǵ q q́ 1 1́>
/t͡s t͡sʲ d͡z d͡zʲ t͡ʃ t͡ʃʲ/
<c ć dz dź ç ḉ>
/v s (ʃ ʃʲ) x xʲ ʁ ʁʲ/
<v s ş ş x x́ r ŕ>
/r rʲ/
<ŗ ŗ́>
/j/
<ј>

/i y i̠ u/
<i ü y u>
/e ø ɘ o/
<e ö ÿ ó>
/e̞ o̞/
<е́ о>
/œ/
<ô>
/æ/
<ë>
/a ɑ ɒ/
<á а â>

No palatalization marking before /i y i̠ e ø o e̞ a/.

/ɑɡɡɑ ɡo̞xd͡zi̠ppom ɡo ɑo̞o̞øʁ bi̠ɡʁ t͡ʃo̞o̞ bxi̠ʔ i̠ eo̞aɒu t͡ʃo̞o̞ ɡœjœt͡ʃe̞i̠jjoɡ/
[ˈɑɡː.ɑ ɡo̞x.ˈd͡zʲji̱pʲː.jom ˈɡʲjo ɑ.ˈo̞ː.œʁ ˈbʲji̱ɡʁ ˈt͡ʃo̞ː ˈbxʲji̱ʔ ˈji̠ e.o̞.ˈja.ɒ.u ˈt͡ʃo̞ː ɡœ.jœ.ˈt͡ɕje̞.ijː.joɡ]
/œo̞ aɑn d͡ztɑtd͡zt͡satt͡s o̞em tʁt͡siaøʁ t͡ʃo̞o̞ œjœumbd͡z t͡ʃo̞o̞ ɡød ɑɡo̞iɑn jo̞mœjpœe̞ ɑao̞iɑaɑu i̠ pœ ɑo̞iɑ ub qbxd͡zpœmœe̞/
[ˈœ.o̞ ˈjaːn ˈd͡ztɑt.d͡z̩.t͡sʲjat.t͡s̩ o̞.ˈem ˈtʁ̩.t͡sʲi.ja.œʁ ˈt͡ʃo̞ː œ.jœ.ˈumbd͡z ˈt͡ʃo̞ː ˈɡʲød ɑ.ˈɡo̞.i.ɑn jo̞.ˈmœj.pœ.je̞ ɑ.ja.o̞.i.ɑ.ˈjaː.u ˈji̠ ˈpœ ˈɑ.o̞.i.ɑ ˈub ˈqbx̩.d͡zpœ.mœ.je̞]

Agga goxdzyppóm gó aooôŗ bygŗ çoo bxy1 y eoáâu çoo gôjôçéýjjog. Ôo áan dztatdzcátc oem trciaôr çoo ôjôumbdz çoo göd agoian jomôjpôé aáoiaáau y pô aoia ub qbxdzpômôé.
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(Assuming I've grasped how this thread works...)

Vaqnad

/p b t d k g kʷ ʔ/
/pʰ tʰ kʰ/
/ɸ β θ ð s ç x ɣ xʷ/
/ɹ j ɰ w h/
/m n ŋ/

I transcribe θ as þ and ɹ as r.

The approximants and nasals syllabify when not adjacent to a vowel, and syllabic sonorants are treated as vowels in this rule. Syllabification precedes right to left.

There is only one phonemic vowel in the language, with the default value of [a]. All others are either allophones of this vowel (which depend on neighbouring consonants), or syllabic /j ɰ w h/.

The /a/ becomes [ɒ] next to a bilabial, [ɛ] next to a palatal, [ʌ] next to a velar, and [ɔ] next to a labio-velar. Preceding consonants are considered before succeeding consonants when determining the vowel's quality. Syllabic /j ɰ w h/ are realised as /i ɯ u ə/. /a/ + approximant does not produce a diphthong, nor are vowel clusters permitted. Post-vocalic but not inter-vocalic /h/ is realised as lengthening the vowel.

Syllables are (C(A))V(C) where syllabic sonorants count as V. Syllable-initial clusters may not include sonorants as the first element.

I think that's everything required.

Edit: Sample text
/ɰaɣɰarahŋah βakʷntaŋam amɣaðmahŋa kʰa amaɣðamhŋa axʷwasʔaŋan pʰah amaçɣaɰarhŋah axʷwasʔaŋan. amxʷwasahŋaŋ saçŋam amkagʔahŋar kʰa amxʷawarhŋaŋ dajamj kʰa amakgaʔhŋar jam ʔaçakʷamŋ msataŋ jam./
[ɰʌɣɰʌra:ŋʌ: βɒkʷnta ɒmɣʌðmɒ:ŋʌ kʰʌ ɒmɒɣðɒməŋʌ ɔxʷwɔsʔʌŋʌn pʰɒ: ɛçɛmɣʌɰʌrəŋʌ: ɔxʷwɔsʔʌŋʌn. ɒmxʷwɔsa:ŋʌŋ sɛçŋʌm ɒmkʌgʔa:ŋʌr kʰʌ ɒmxʷɔwɔrəŋʌŋ dɛjɛmi kʰʌ ɒmɒkgʌʔəŋʌr jɛm ʔɛçɛkʷɔmŋ msatʌŋ jɛm.]
The syllabic sonorants have not been specially marked in the phonemic text.
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