Little-endian Numeral System?
Little-endian Numeral System?
Are there any natural languages that place the least significant digit first?
Specifically, consistently and with large numbers (i.e. not in compound words like "fourteen").
Specifically, consistently and with large numbers (i.e. not in compound words like "fourteen").
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Re: Little-endian Numeral System?
There are several languages that put ones before tens, either always or in some cases (below 20, say). But more than that?

Re: Little-endian Numeral System?
Dutch and German
Dutch:
25 = vijfentwintig (five-and-twenty)
87 = zevenentachtig (seven-and-eighty)
41 = eenenveertig (one-and-forty)
...all the way up to a hundred. Then it's:
133 = honderddrieëndertig (hundred-three-and-thirty)
Dutch:
25 = vijfentwintig (five-and-twenty)
87 = zevenentachtig (seven-and-eighty)
41 = eenenveertig (one-and-forty)
...all the way up to a hundred. Then it's:
133 = honderddrieëndertig (hundred-three-and-thirty)
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Re: Little-endian Numeral System?
On a related note, do any languages write the numbers smallest digit first, and if so, do they also say it that way?
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Re: Little-endian Numeral System?
I'm not entirely sure, but I don't think so.
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Re: Little-endian Numeral System?
That's not a compound, at least not how you're thinking it is. Fourteen is from 'four-ten' (back in the Germanic days), not from 'four+teen[ager]'.Mednij wrote:Are there any natural languages that place the least significant digit first?
Specifically, consistently and with large numbers (i.e. not in compound words like "fourteen").
Even if it were, I can't see how it's not arbitrary to exclude 13-19.
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The direction in which we write numbers was *kept* when they were borrowed from the Arabs, in spite of us and they writing in different directions. Thus, the arabic numbers originally were, and partially still are written with the smallest digit first.KathAveara wrote:On a related note, do any languages write the numbers smallest digit first, and if so, do they also say it that way?
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Re: Little-endian Numeral System?
No, not like that. I realise that it's four+ten. I meant to exclude the numeral words which, while originating from other numerals, have effectively become basic numerals themselves. A satisfying example (if it exists at all, of course) of a little-endian system would be something that represents 3425 as "5+20+400+300" (allowing of course for variation in bases and composition of the subunits of the number (like 300=500-200 or something)).Drydic Guy wrote:That's not a compound, at least not how you're thinking it is. Fourteen is from 'four-ten' (back in the Germanic days), not from 'four+teen[ager]'.Mednij wrote:Are there any natural languages that place the least significant digit first?
Specifically, consistently and with large numbers (i.e. not in compound words like "fourteen").
Even if it were, I can't see how it's not arbitrary to exclude 13-19.
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And that came about because the Arabs kept the direction of writing numbers left-to-right when they borrowed the numbers from the Indians, who write left to right. So when you are writing in Arabic script, you are effectively writing smallest digit first.Miekko wrote:The direction in which we write numbers was *kept* when they were borrowed from the Arabs, in spite of us and they writing in different directions. Thus, the arabic numbers originally were, and partially still are written with the smallest digit first.KathAveara wrote:On a related note, do any languages write the numbers smallest digit first, and if so, do they also say it that way?

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Apparently, Malagasy is consistently little-endian: http://www.sf.airnet.ne.jp/ts/language/ ... agasy.html
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Re: Little-endian Numeral System?
Numbers are written from left to right in handwritten Arabic, so no, you do write the smallest digit last.prettydragoon wrote:And that came about because the Arabs kept the direction of writing numbers left-to-right when they borrowed the numbers from the Indians, who write left to right. So when you are writing in Arabic script, you are effectively writing smallest digit first.Miekko wrote:The direction in which we write numbers was *kept* when they were borrowed from the Arabs, in spite of us and they writing in different directions. Thus, the arabic numbers originally were, and partially still are written with the smallest digit first.KathAveara wrote:On a related note, do any languages write the numbers smallest digit first, and if so, do they also say it that way?
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How do they know how much space to leave when writing big numbers? 
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Re: Little-endian Numeral System?
Okay. I'm not surprised, since it seems to me that it would indeed be easiest to write down the digits in the order you say them in the language.Serafín wrote:Numbers are written from left to right in handwritten Arabic, so no, you do write the smallest digit last.prettydragoon wrote:And that came about because the Arabs kept the direction of writing numbers left-to-right when they borrowed the numbers from the Indians, who write left to right. So when you are writing in Arabic script, you are effectively writing smallest digit first.Miekko wrote:The direction in which we write numbers was *kept* when they were borrowed from the Arabs, in spite of us and they writing in different directions. Thus, the arabic numbers originally were, and partially still are written with the smallest digit first.KathAveara wrote:On a related note, do any languages write the numbers smallest digit first, and if so, do they also say it that way?

Re: Little-endian Numeral System?
We don't, in Dutch. As I already said, we say 'drieënzestig" (three-and-sixty), but we still write it from left to right.
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Re: Little-endian Numeral System?
Hmm, really? I remember reading something that said that historically Arabic numbers were read and said in rigid smallest-to-largest order, traces of which remain in the tens-units combinations (e.g. tisʿata ʿašara 'nineteen'). And I've definitely seen people writing them right-to-left, although maybe this is anomalous.Serafín wrote:Numbers are written from left to right in handwritten Arabic, so no, you do write the smallest digit last.prettydragoon wrote:And that came about because the Arabs kept the direction of writing numbers left-to-right when they borrowed the numbers from the Indians, who write left to right. So when you are writing in Arabic script, you are effectively writing smallest digit first.Miekko wrote:The direction in which we write numbers was *kept* when they were borrowed from the Arabs, in spite of us and they writing in different directions. Thus, the arabic numbers originally were, and partially still are written with the smallest digit first.KathAveara wrote:On a related note, do any languages write the numbers smallest digit first, and if so, do they also say it that way?
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