Lexicon Building

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Surprisingly, Lilitika doesn't have a word for any of that yet, even though it's one of the culture's most pervasive emotions. So let's fix that...

shidúrezaru -> shidaru (responsibility that causes sorrow = guilt)
élitrí vendútu -> éldútu (social misery = humiliation/embarrassment)
venzedekhtu -> venzetu (insultedness/shame)

In fact, given that last one, there's room for countless other great constructions based on insults and verbs for insulting, like yakúbedekhtu (the state of having been chewed out at length), íntsnodekhtu (the state of having been accused of treachery or backstabbing), and berízíu (the state of being only very slightly in the wrong and not being able to stop worrying about a problem everyone else has probably already forgotten about.)

Actually talking about shame due to failure is a bit trickier, since Lilitika mostly uses euphemisms for failure, like "to find no light in...", so I guess we can use something like mokathelu, "withering (sense of) self".

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Modern Zarcosian:

tëkësto mëwënsïn
[tɤqɤχˈto mɤʁʷɤnˈχɯn]
disorderly scientific theory, composed of
tëkësto, scientific theory, from Salenzian tekestos, scientific theory, ultimately from Old Zarcosian teǩes tos, construct, construction, structure
mëwënsïn, disorderly, unnatural, incomplete, composed of më-, the negator prefix (from OZ mex̌), and wënsïn, natural, orderly, normal, complete, whole (from OZ uezens, overall continuation of life, natural order, and Salenzian -in, the adjectival suffix)

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Adúljôžal ônal kol ví éža únah kex yaxlr gmlĥ hôga jô ônal kru ansu frú.
Ansu frú ônal savel zaš gmlĥ a vek Adúljôžal vé jaga čaþ kex.
Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh.

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Rhetorica wrote:berízíu (the state of being only very slightly in the wrong and not being able to stop worrying about a problem everyone else has probably already forgotten about.)
I like that one. It fits several people I know.

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It's from berízu, "mistaker" or "confabulator", which is an epithet you utter when someone—for example—gets an answer wrong in math class. It's as inoffensive as possible without actually being inoffensive, and gets thrown around a lot without generally causing argument. That being said, it's quite effective at restarting an argument.

shiyefurí hefrekwíu: someone who murders out of (neurotic) disgust.
sabtogeglokníu: bloodthirsty psychopath (Ksreskézaian for "glorious warrior", hence the trainwreck of vicious-sounding plosives that violate Lilitika's normal phonotactics)
múríneda-vitekwíu: poison-dealer.

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Rhetorica wrote:Next word: counterbalance
Kala:

uetsa - balance up; offset; counterbalance

next: strict; severe; stern

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...these already exist:
  • dezheneí: constraining, inflexible
    gethañgru: severity (lit. "cold weight")
    mefañgrí: stern or serious
But another wouldn't hurt:
  • kelrileneí: Highly demanding; intensive; badgering; strict.
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Rhetorica wrote:berízíu (the state of being only very slightly in the wrong and not being able to stop worrying about a problem everyone else has probably already forgotten about.)
This is my fucking life.
Rhetorica wrote:Next: hypnagogia
Icastrian: moestanámasot [ˈmoɪstaˌnaːmasot]
etymology: moesta- "fall asleep" (from moia- "sleep") + námasot "visions, hallucinations" (- "see" + -masot "matters, affairs, related things")

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Colonel Cathcart wrote:Next: salad
Kala:

sento - salad; leftovers

next: to be in mourning

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Tormiott

kett kət (n) board, plank; plaque, sign
- siukett ˈsykət (n) plate, dish (also as a prepared food item)
- touniakett ˈtuːɲɐkət (n) salad, dish made with raw and/or cold foods {tounia, cold + kett as a short form of siukett}

(so it literally means 'cold dish')

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Well darn, too slow.

scor skoɹ (n) chest; breasts (also niascor); bow (of a ship)
- douroscor ˈduːɹəskəɹ (v) to mourn, to grieve; to be sorrowful {dour- (prefix) sad, sorrowful, dreary, depressed}


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din wrote:next: harbor
Kala:

hono - port; harbor

next: slut; floozy

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Tricky—the Lilitai have a pretty sex-positive attitude. But there are always people who sleep around too much...

kolemu (slurring of kedolempezríu): one who glitters [to disguise unpleasant truths]; attention-seeker; heartbreaker.

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Rhetorica wrote:Next: undertow
Kala:

topue - undertow; be dragged down

next: as it turns out; by lucky coincidence

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Tormiott:

datt /dɛt/ (n) step, footstep (compare pimathado, step (stairs); rung (ladder))
innadatt ˈinːəðət (n) coincidence; chance, luck; (v) to be random, to be unplanned; to be incidental, to be coincidental {inna- (pref) moving lightly, limberly, lithely, tiptoeing, shuffling}
o innadatt ʊ ˈinːəðət (adv) coincidentally; luckily, fortunately

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din wrote:next: lopsided
Kala:

uetsak - balanced.up-NEG

next: to knock down

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kalamipé: to push down, to knock over. [< Z. Lil. kezalanemipé, 'toward-down-strike' < Z. Lil. alanekal mipé, 'downward strike' < O. Lil. alanmekhe mipé]

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Msérsca:
thélmas [ˈθjɛɫmas] constellation, from thél [θjɛɫ] star + -mas [mas] roughly -ism

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Ascima mresa óscsma sáca psta numar cemea.
Cemea tae neasc ctá ms co ísbas Ascima.
Carho. Carho. Carho. Carho. Carho. Carho. Carho.

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althoí neptarledzhe: across recovery-study ≅ comparative soteriology

The Lilitai didn't have any genuine prophets in their formative period, only imaginative poets, so while they went through all the motions of religion, no one actually believed in it, so the closest things they have to holy texts are regarded with the same attitudes we might use to look at Plato and/or Grimm's Fairy Tales. (This is a disillusionment that comes from prolonged integration with a culture that believed all strong emotions were manipulative spirits.) Actually being interested in religion, or speculating on life after death (which is, at least notionally, a state of permanent dreaming) is considered delusional. So theology is just a branch of anthropology to them (or "sophontology" for all you non-humans out there).

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Rhetorica wrote:delusional
Kala:

omohuamyo - lit: absurd thinking

next: to try in vain; futile attempt

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alemoí: without strength or effect
ekmaré: to attempt (to make a goal of finishing)
-> alemoí ekmarekíu
-> poetic form alekaru = futile effort

(conveniently, "alekarí" means "without colour")

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Rhetorica wrote:Next: furnace
Kala:

tsiko - stove; oven; furnace; fireplace

next: stumble, slip, fall down

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You are getting pessimistic! Didn't we just do knock down?

thovloé: to trip and faceplant, or euphemistically to put oneself down (from hovloé, to prepare something for use by putting it on a table)

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guaraduc
['gʷaɾɐðɵk]

from guara 'war' and duc 'commander', original sense of "warlord"
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R.Rusanov wrote:guaraduc
['gʷaɾɐðɵk]

from guara 'war' and duc 'commander', original sense of "warlord"
And the new word is?

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"warlord" B)
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Not a very Lilitic concept, but fortunately the parent language Ksreskézaian has no problem with these topics:

hakrodeklo: King.
geglokodeklo: War-chief.

...which, owing to their relative lack of appeal, are borrowed directly.

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