Ablaut and Pitch Accent
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Ablaut and Pitch Accent
Would it be plausible to have a language in which: a pitch accent exists, two tense exist and the marked tense is marked by ablaut of the accented syllable/mora? If so, how could this derive diachronically?
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Re: Ablaut and Pitch Accent
It doesn't have to derive from something. Our (earliest) reconstruction of PIE started with something similar to that.
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Ο ορανς τα ανα̨ριθομον ϝερρον εͱεν ανθροποτροφον.
Το̨ ανθροπς αυ̨τ εκψον επ αθο̨ οραναμο̨ϝον.
Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν.
Ο ορανς τα ανα̨ριθομον ϝερρον εͱεν ανθροποτροφον.
Το̨ ανθροπς αυ̨τ εκψον επ αθο̨ οραναμο̨ϝον.
Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν.
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Re: Ablaut and Pitch Accent
Thank you very much. Now, I have another question: in a pitch accent language, could something similar to blank verse exist, but with pitch instead of stress?
Re: Ablaut and Pitch Accent
Sure. I was gonna mention Greek, but that uses syllable weight, not pitch, as the basis for its meters.
I don't know what you've read about ablaut so far, but if you haven't already looked it up, read on its development from PIE on (ē/ō ~ e/o ~ Ø > millenia of sound change > a whole bunch of series) to not get stupid and unreasonable results. Wikipedia should be helpful there.
I don't know what you've read about ablaut so far, but if you haven't already looked it up, read on its development from PIE on (ē/ō ~ e/o ~ Ø > millenia of sound change > a whole bunch of series) to not get stupid and unreasonable results. Wikipedia should be helpful there.
Last edited by Jipí on Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:02 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Ablaut and Pitch Accent
What I've read about Greek (not very much) seems to suggest that meter was based on length, not tone.Jipí wrote:Sure, look at Greek.
I don't know what you've read about ablaut so far, but if you haven't already looked it up, read on its development from PIE on (ē/ō ~ e/o ~ Ø > millenia of sound change > a whole bunch of series) to not get stupid and unreasonable results. Wikipedia should be helpful there.
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Ο ορανς τα ανα̨ριθομον ϝερρον εͱεν ανθροποτροφον.
Το̨ ανθροπς αυ̨τ εκψον επ αθο̨ οραναμο̨ϝον.
Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν.
Ο ορανς τα ανα̨ριθομον ϝερρον εͱεν ανθροποτροφον.
Το̨ ανθροπς αυ̨τ εκψον επ αθο̨ οραναμο̨ϝον.
Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν.
Re: Ablaut and Pitch Accent
Yes, sorry, I corrected myself in a ninja edit already.ObsequiousNewt wrote:What I've read about Greek (not very much) seems to suggest that meter was based on length, not tone.
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Re: Ablaut and Pitch Accent
All right. Do you know any good books on PIE ablaut?
Re: Ablaut and Pitch Accent
I'm not sure there are any books devoted solely to just that topic, but any decent handbook should cover the basics reasonably.
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Re: Ablaut and Pitch Accent
Well it does, but that something isn't always recoverable.ObsequiousNewt wrote:It doesn't have to derive from something. Our (earliest) reconstruction of PIE started with something similar to that.